pastor h, according to jesus it is :) and like most pomo/emerging people on this planet - jesus' words rule :) pax jok --- Pastor Hughes <embc@...> wrote: > whoever looks on a woman in the wrong way commits > adultry in his heart with her..... > > is that grounds for divorce..... > > ?????? > Pastor Hughes > East Mesa Baptist Church > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: iggy > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] pulpit swapping? > > > Matthew 5: 32. But I say unto you, That > whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the > cause of fornication, causeth her to commit > adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is > divorced committeth adultery. kjv > > Matthew 5: 32. But I tell you that anyone > who divorces his wife, except for marital > unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, > and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits > adultery. > > Strong's Ref. # 4202 > > Romanized porneia > Pronounced por-ni'-ah > > from GSN4203; harlotry (including adultery > and incest); figuratively, idolatry: > > KJV--fornication. > > Now, marital unfaithfulness can be more than > fornication. It can be figuratively. It can also be > putting something ahead of your spouse, (neglect and > idolatry )or an abusive relationship (a sign that > maybe there is no real marriage). > > How's that for controversial, > > iggy > -------Original Message------- > > From: pastorsforum@... > Date: 02/01/04 20:24:16 > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] pulpit swapping? > > what are the biblical reason for divorce > [lease. I must have been asleep > that day in class. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Keeter" <jmkeeter@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] pulpit swapping? > > > > 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be > blameless, the husband of one wife, > > vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given > to hospitality, apt to teach; > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...> > > To: <pastorsforum@...> > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] pulpit > swapping? > > > > > > > i am divorced, and the reasons for that > divorce are > > > bibical - and personal - and i pastor a > church :) > > > > > > there is no "bibical" stance against a > divorced man > > > pastoring a church :) > > > > > > pax > > > jok > > > > > > > > > --- Pastor Hughes <embc@...> > wrote: > > > > thanks for your candid honesty > > > > > > > > you mentioned your girl friend likes > your style > > > > > > > > and that you have a daughter..... > > > > > > > > I am curious....does your theology > embrace > > > > divorced men pastoring churches.... > > > > > > > > just curious..... > > > > > > > > I am trying to figure out how liberal > you really are > > > > :) > > > > > > > > and how much de-construction you have > done thus > > > > far.... > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > Pastor Hughes > > > > East Mesa Baptist Church > > > > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: john okeefe <jxpxus@...> > > > > To: <pastorsforum@...> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:10 > AM > > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] pulpit > swapping? > > > > > > > > > > > > > pastor hughes - > > > > > > > > > > if you truly are reaching this > generation cool :) > > > > > that is what youi are called to do > and i think > > > > that is > > > > > great. as far as me "visiting" and > being welcomed > > > > - > > > > > most churches whould say i was > welcomed - until i > > > > > walked in :) not to say yours is > like that - if i > > > > > would be welcomed, very cool, i like > that too :) > > > > > > > > > > yes, i would consider myself a > "liberal" compared > > > > to > > > > > most on this list - i do not use the > kjv, i drink, > > > > i > > > > > do not think dress matters, i see > most, of not > > > > all, of > > > > > what the church does as tradition, > but i believe > > > > 100% > > > > > in jesus christ - died for my sins > and his blood > > > > saves > > > > > me :) > > > > > > > > > > pax > > > > > jok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pastor Hughes <embc@...> > wrote: > > > > > > John of ginkworld. > > > > > > > > > > > > you said you would not be welcomed > at my church? > > > > > > you could attend any services!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > but if you mean preach in our > pulpit....now that > > > > is > > > > > > another issue.... > > > > > > if you came and I introduced you > as you > > > > described > > > > > > yourself in > > > > > > your posts that could scare the > folks in the > > > > pew... > > > > > > > > > > > > ie... > > > > > > > > > > > > you said you were a postmodern > liberal type that > > > > was > > > > > > non-conservative > > > > > > in theology and are tattooed and > pierced and > > > > like > > > > > > rock music...(this is your own > description of > > > > > > yourself taken from your posts) > > > > > > > > > > > > if I allowed you in the pulpit I > would be scared > > > > to > > > > > > death of what you might say > > > > > > in addition to (Jesus loves you > and so do i) its > > > > the > > > > > > fringe stuff that the folks > > > > > > would not be able to swallow.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but if the audience was full of > non > > > > christians....or > > > > > > those who have rejected the > traditional church > > > > and > > > > > > its biblical teachings .....they > wouldnt have a > > > > > > problem with your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theology....dress.....tatoos.....piercings.....music.....or > > > > > > your doctrine.....in fact they > would like it was > > > > hip > > > > > > and cool because it is soooooo > different. it > > > > would > > > > > > be like de-constructing the old > church > > > > model.....for > > > > > > them anyway.... > > > > > > > > > > > > if I had more time I could tell > you about my > > > > > > church....every sunday we have > > > > > > tatooed and pierced > > > > > > > visitors....yup....druggies....single > > > > > > moms....elderly.... > > > > > > even my deacons got > tatoos....yup.....came to > > > > church > > > > > > hung-over and got saved....and > > > > > > yup...conformed to the image of > christ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > so if you want to talk about > culturally relevant > > > > or > > > > > > reaching todays generation head-on > > > > > > we can do it....if fact we are > doing > > > > it....without > > > > > > deconstructing or changin a thing > > > > > > doctrinally or compromising > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be back > > > > > > Pastor Hughes > > > > > > East Mesa Baptist Church > > > > > > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > john o'keefe > > > > > http://www.ginkworld.net > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? 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