thank you derick - you see the point :) all scripture is filtered through a point - culture, family, politics - what ever that point is - it can be different for all people - what i am saying is that i take the words of paul and filture them through the words of christ - i would never take the words of christ and filter them through paul - :) pax jok --- Derick Dickens <Derick@...> wrote: > I would caution a little on this line of thinking. > If we believe all the > Bible is inspired by God, the person speaking them > important but does not > make it more inspired. Sometimes a red letter > edition makes people uplift > the words of Jesus over other texts, yet that should > not be so. I don't > think that is what JOK is doing, but I wanted to > caution anyway. > > Derick > > -------Original Message------- > > From: pastorsforum@... > Date: 2/3/2004 3:19:02 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] a sleep in class > > steven - > > i don't have a "red letter edition" so that can't be > the case :) > > besides - the color of the words is not the issue - > it's the person who spoke them :) > > pax > jok > > > --- "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...> > wrote: > > Ahh, > > It is the curse of the Red Letter Editions. > Just > > because the words > > of Christ are in Red does not mean they are 'more > > important' than the > > words in black. I agree with Brother Dean on this > > one. > > > > Peace, > > Steve > > > > Dean West wrote: > > > John, > > > Been reading your posts and wondering where you > > are coming from. I think > > > you have just posted the answer in this post > > > regarding scripture. > > > > > > " jesus' words are placed in a higher place in > my > > nmind then the words of > > > paul - anything paul said must be in > > > contwxt with the words of jesus - they can not > > "over-rife" jesus words - > > > and if jesus allows it, who > are you - or paul > - > > to say no > > > > > > Whew!!!!!!!! Seems 2 Timothy 3:16 is being > > disregarded in your theology > > > "All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for > > teaching, correcting and > > > training in righteousness," > > > > > > Of course what Jesus said is right, but so is > what > > Paul said. There is no > > > conflict or contridiction between them. The > > danger of what you are doing is > > > that the end result becomes every man doing > "that > > which is right in his own > > > eyes." > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...> > > > To: <pastorsforum@...> > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:21 PM > > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] a sleep in class > > > > > > > > > > > >>what i am saying is that scripture, jesus > himself, > > >>says that divorce is acceptable under certain > > >>conditions - so, what you are saying is that the > > way > > >>you read that jesus was wrong? > > >> > > >>jesus' words are placed in a higher place in my > > nmind > > >>then the words of paul - anything paul said must > > be in > > >>contwxt with the words of jesus - they can not > > >>"over-rife" jesus words - and if jesus allows > it, > > who > > >>are you - or paul - to say no :) just wondering > > >> > > >>pax > > >>jok > > >> > > >> > > >>--- Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...> > > >>wrote: > > >> > > >>>So, John, are you saying the Scripture says, > "one > > >>>wife at a time" rather > > >>>than "the husband of one wife." (that's a > period > > >>>after the last wife--no > > >>>pun intended) > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: john okeefe [mailto:jxpxus@...] > > >>>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:14 PM > > >>>To: pastorsforum@... > > >>>Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] a sleep in class > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>you wrote: "There is no biblical grounds for a > > >>>married pastor to divorce and remarry and > remain > > a > > >>>pastor or deacon" > > >>> > > >>>RE: dude, there is no bibical grounds for them > > to > > >>>step down either - the whole "one wife thing" > has > > >>>nothing to do with divorce - nothing - and the > > fact > > >>>that you read it that way is a complete twist > of > > >>>scripture - and one that no other group makes - > > it > > >>>has > > >>>everything to do with the fact that before > that, > > a > > >>>man > > >>>could have more then one wife at a single time. > > the > > >>>idea of "monogomy" is not jewish - there were > > many > > >>>in > > >>>the jewish faith that had more then one wife - > > read > > >>>the ot :) > > >>> > > >>>while i am not the kind of guy who thinks > > education > > >>>is > > >>>needed to be a pastor - i do think that it is > > >>>imprtant > > >>>for life :) know not only the scriptures - but > to > > >>>who > > >>>they were written, why they were written and > the > > >>>culture to which they were written - when that > is > > >>>know, a better view of the scripture forms and > a > > >>>better understanding of how we are to live in > > that > > >>>path is formed :) > > >>> > > >>>pax > > >>>jok > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>--- mwcarnes <mick.jinx@...> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I am saying that divorce was never God's > > >>>>plan.Divorce was made by man. > > >>>>There is no biblical grounds for a married > > pastor > > >>> > > >>>to > > >>> > > >>>>divorce and remarry and > > >>>>remain a pastor or deacon. mcarnes > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...> > > >>>>To: <pastorsforum@...> > > >>>>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:04 PM > > >>>>Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] a sleep in class > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>so, you are saying that all divorce is wrong? > > >>>>> > > >>>>>pax > > >>>>>jok > > >>>>> > > >>>>>--- mwcarnes <mick.jinx@...> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>I was not asleep when Matt. 5:31-32 was > > >>> > > >>>covered. > > >>> > > >>>>Is > > >>>> > > >>>>>>5:31-32 even part of the Sermon on the > Mount. > > >>>>>>Fornication is sex before marriage, adulters > > >>> > > >>>is > > >>> > > >>>>sex > > >>>> > > >>>>>>with some one not your partner after > marriage. > > >>>> > > >>>>Matt. > > >>>> > > >>>>>>19:1-12; Mark 10:10-12. States that Moses > > >>>> > > >>>>permited > > >>>> > > >>>>>>divorce because of the hardness of your > heart. > > >>>> > > >>>>It > > >>>> > > >>>>>>was not God's plan that there be diverce, > > >>>> > > >>>>divorce is > > >>>> > > >>>>>>of mans making. mcarnes > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>===== > > >>>>>john o'keefe > > >>>>>http://www.ginkworld.net > > >>>>> > > >>>>>__________________________________ > > >>>>>Do you Yahoo!? > > >>>>>Yahoo! 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