Jimbo,

First, thanks for your concern.

Secondly, I have heard both Kenneth and Gloria Copeland  in person (years 
ago), and have read several of their books and listened to many of their 
tapes.  Point is, I am very familiar with what they teach and have witnessed 
much fruit of their ministries.

Also, I have read Mr. McConnell's book,  and read other material written 
against the Copelands and their teachings.

Most of the negative things written against the Copelands is blatantly 
false.  Other material written against them is from statements taken out of 
context and grossly distorted from what they actually believe and teach. 
Tragically, many so-called Christians print falsehoods and slander preachers 
of the gospel.

You post a quote of Copeland from Mr. McConnell's book in regard to the 
atonement.  Are you sure this quote is accurate?  What was said just before 
and immediately following this statement?  Knowing the context makes all the 
difference in the world in having a correct understanding of what Copeland 
was really saying.  People who, in my opinion have a vendetta against "faith 
teachers" frequently take statements out of context in order to label them 
"heretics."

Perhaps Mr. Copeland was saying something similar to what I have said about 
atonement ...

Theology uses the term "atonement" in a general sense to refer to the 
sacrificial death of Christ Jesus on the Cross, but the word "atonement" is 
not a New Testament word. It is an Old Testament word and concept.  The word 
"atone" means to "cover."  "Atonement" in the Old Testament was the slaying 
of an animal in sacrifice so that its blood would cover or "atone" for the 
sins of the people.  When the blood of the sacrifice was shed, the sins of 
the people were "covered" and God could not "see" the sin.  This was the 
basis of forgiveness for sin in the Old Testament.

The New Testament does not speak of the blood of Jesus as just "covering" or 
"atoning" for our sins.  It speaks of the blood of Jesus "washing" our sins 
away, and remitting them.  The word "propitiation" is used, which indicates 
the blood being presented in the most holy place to remit our sins (1 John 
2:2  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but 
also for the sins of the whole world.)

So, IMO, Mr. Copeland could have been saying this when he said, according to 
Mr. McConnell, "When [Jesus's] blood poured out it did not atone."  He meant 
that the blood of Jesus did not "cover" our sins, His blood redeemed us, 
remitted our sins, and washed them away.

By the way, Gloria Copeland's preaching on the traditions of men that rob 
people of God's power in healing is excellent!
If you are interested, I will send you the link to her healing school 
message.  You can download it as a MP3 file or listen on line.

And if you  are interested, I will give an answer to the other statements 
alluded to in your post on how I think they were distortions of what 
Copeland actually said.

Also, why don't you write Copeland and ask him about the McConnell quote as 
to whether it was accurate and a correct presentations of his position on 
the what the blood of Jesus did for us?

Jerry





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J & M" <jim.melissa@...>
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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Anti-theology Spirit (was Re: [PastorsForum] 
Unity/Miguel)


>
> Jerry,
>
> I'd be careful listening to the
> Copelands, according to Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Copeland
>
> a.. "When [Jesus's] blood poured out it
> did not atone." (Kenneth Copeland: From
> a personal letter to D.R.McConnell,
> dated 12/3/79. from A Different Gospel,
> p.120)
> a..
> a.. "God's reason for creating Adam was
> his desire to reproduce himself. I mean
> a reproduction of himself. And in the
> garden of Eden he did just that. He was
> not a little like God, he was not almost
> like God, he was not subordinate to God
> even. Adam was as much like God as you
> can get, just the same as Jesus when he
> came to earth, he said if you have seen
> me you have seen the father... Adam in
> the Garden of Eden was God manifested in
> the flesh." (Kenneth Copeland, Following
> the Faith of Abraham I (Fort Worth, TX:
> Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989), tape
> #01-3001, side 1.
> a..
> a.. Jesus "has got to be all man. He
> cannot be a God and come storming in
> here with attributes and dignities that
> are not common to man. He can't do that.
> It's not legal." ("The Incarnation",
> side 1, audiocassette #01-0402, emphasis
> in original, Fort Worth, TX: KCM,
> 1985.)"
> a..
> a.. "You don't have a God in you; you
> are one," (The Force of Love (Fort
> Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries,
> 1987, audiotape #02-0028), side 1.)
>
> Jimbo
>
>
> There are many other women today who are
> making an impact on our world for
> Christ.  Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, Joni
> Tada Erickson, Gloria Copeland ...
> just a few who come to mind that many
> peole recognize as having successful
> ministries. ( BTW, I heard a wonderful
> sermon on Divine Healing preached by
> Gloria Copeland on my MP3 player last
> night.  She was so much better than
> anything available on the radio. J I
> drove 580 miles on a Rx run and needed
> something good to help take up the
> time. )
>
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