Steve,
I heard this on the radio from a man who claims he is a Calvinist. He
actually gave this answer to a question on how to be saved.
He holds other weird doctrinal beliefs also.
Jerry
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From: "Steven G Rockhill" <revrock@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Philippian Jailer Conversion
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>> Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be
>> saved? The Calvinist says, "There is nothing you can do. If God plans
>> for you to be saved, you will be, ... and if God does not plan for you to
>> be saved, ... then nothing you do will make any difference. You just
>> have to wait until God shows you that you are the 'Elect.' "
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> Someone is building strawmen again. No Calvinist I know would ever say
> this. I lost the original email so I have no idea who wrote this - I am
> just using Jerry L. response to respond.
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> pax,
> Steve
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>> Jerry says, The Jailer was saved the moment he "believed" on the Lord
>> Jesus Christ and received Him as his Lord and Savior. His salvation was
>> purchased and provided for by the redeeming death of Christ Jesus on the
>> cross on Calvary, but was not appropriated by the Jailer until he
>> personally received Christ through "believing" on Jesus.
>> The "New Birth," or "regeneration," is a result of "believing" on the
>> Lord Jesus Christ, and is NOT the "cause" of the "believing." Christ
>> said, "He that believeth ... hath eternal life," ... not that he that
>> hath eternal life believeth -- John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son
>> hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see
>> life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. It is "believing on Christ"
>> that ushers into one's heart that wonderful gift of eternal life. It is
>> offered to "every creature" and "every creature" has the ability to
>> receive Christ when he hears the Word of the gospel. God is no "respecter
>> of persons" ... but He is a "respecter" of faith. Without faith it is
>> impossible to please Him ...
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>> Faith comes from hearing the Word of God. There is no real faith for
>> salvation without hearing the gospel, which is God's Word concerning what
>> Jesus did for every man, woman and child through His redeeming death and
>> resurrection. (Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again from
>> the dead to justify us and make us righteous.) There is no "eternal life"
>> for the sinner until he expresses personal faith in Christ Jesus. At the
>> moment he "believes" in Christ, ... at that precise moment in time, he is
>> regenerated, and not before. Every man has the capacity to "believe"
>> when he hears God's Word, because faith comes by hearing God's Word.
>> God's Word is programmed to build faith. God's power of Faith is built
>> into His Word. You cannot have real Salvation without Faith.
>> You cannot have real Faith in God without His Word. (Anything beyond
>> the Word, or outside of the Word is presumption or wishful thinking, and
>> not true faith in God.)
>> That is why Christ directs all believers to carry His gospel unto all
>> the world and to every creature, and promises, "He that believeth and is
>> baptized shall be saved."
>> His salvation is for every creature, but the condition for receiving
>> that salvation is that every creature must "hear" the Word of the gospel
>> and "believe it" in order to possess salvation and eternal life.
>> Jerry
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* carnes29720 <mailto:mjj123@...>
>> *To:* pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 08, 2007 6:09 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] The Philippian Jailer Conversion
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>> Acts 16:31 When he believed on the Lord Jesus Christ
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jeff Hallmark <mailto:bctexan@...>
>> *To:* pastorsforum@...
>> <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 08, 2007 12:42 PM
>> *Subject:* [PastorsForum] The Philippian Jailer Conversion
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>> In your own humble opinion, when did the Philippian Jailer get
>> SAVED?????
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>> Act 16:25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang
>> praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
>> Act 16:26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that
>> the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all
>> the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
>> Act 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his
>> sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his
>> sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the
>> prisoners had been fled.
>> Act 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do
>> thyself no harm: for we are all here.
>> Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came
>> trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
>> Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I
>> do to be saved?
>> Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
>> and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
>> Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and
>> to all that were in his house.
>> Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and
>> washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his,
>> straightway.
>> Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set
>> meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his
>> house.
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>> 1. Saved before the foundation of the World - or -
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>> 2. Hearing Paul and Silas praying and singing - or -
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>> 3. Awaken out of his sleep - or -
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>> 4. Being afraid and humbling himself before Paul and Silas - or -
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>> 5. Before he said Sirs, what must I do to be saved? - or -
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>> 6. When or After he said, Sirs what must I do to be saved? - or -
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>> 7. When or After Paul said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ,
>> and thou shalt be saved, and thy house"
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>> 8. After they spoke unto him and his house the word of the
>> Lord - or -
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>> 9. At his baptism, along with his family - or -
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>> Did regeneration happened before he believed - or -
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>>
>> Jeff
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