DW, Didn't our Lord Jesus Christ teach that a sin in the heart is just as sinful as a sin done in deed? Check out Mt. 5:20ff. Everyone sins in heart and deed = no people in this kingdom to rule over. Pax, Steve David Warner wrote: > I don't have a problem with them being put to death under the "rod of iron" > righteous rule of the Savior. But there are going to be a lot of people > born during that 1000 year period. With the restraining of Satan, much evil > will be restrained and the actions of an evil heart will be dealt with. > Have you ever noticed how much "sin" people can control when they really > have to? As a child, I could control a lot of sinning when mom or dad was > around. > > D Warner > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:24 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] Requiring tobe > a teetotaler???) > > DW, > does that mean they are immediately put to death? It would have to if > they appear before the throne of Christ to answer for their sin - death > is the only punishment applicable because Christ has already saved His > people from their sins and gathered them together. And if death is the > punishment then there very quickly would be no one left to rule over > because a sinner can only do one thing - Sin! Unless of course the > grace of God intervenes in a saving way. > > Pax, > Steve > > David Warner wrote: > >> Steve, I don't think Mike is saying the sinner will be unable to sin as >> > much > >> as he is saying the sinner will be prevented from sinning and if/when he >> sins, those sins are dealt with immediately, severely, with a rod of iron. >> >> Hope I'm not just putting words in Mike's mouth, so to speak, that he >> > isn't > >> saying here. That is how I took what he was saying. Did I get it right >> Mike, or were you saying something else? >> >> D Warner >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...] >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:40 AM >> To: pastorsforum@... >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] Requiring >> > tobe > >> a teetotaler???) >> >> Oops sorry I misunderstood the phrase "born with the nature of Adam, in >> his image" as being when he was created and not after the fall - my >> bad. yet the problem remains that you have a sinner who is unable to >> sin - this is impossible. A sinner, by nature sins - even in his/her >> breathing and living because they do not do it for the glory of God. >> Even the good deeds and "obedience" of a sinner are as filthy rags to >> God. As someone has already pointed out - with a sin nature we do not >> need satan to sin - we are drawn into temptation and sin by our own >> lusts and desires. To me this whole line of thinking (Christ reigning >> that brings only an outward appearance of peace so the lion lays down >> with the lamb yet is salivating because he wants to eat the lamb or a >> muslim will sit down with a Jew in an appearance of peace but inwardly >> wants to destroy him) this all does a great injustice to the atonement >> and what Christ accomplished. It is offering salvation (resisting the >> temptation to be deceived by Satan at the "loosing") through some other >> means rather than Christ's once for all shed blood. But of course this >> is the key problem of dispensationalism in the first place, isn't it --- >> The shed blood of Christ has never been the only way to salvation >> throughout every age .... so if there was a different way before Christ >> then it shouldn't be surprising that there is a different way after >> Christ. Troubles abound when we drop below the biblical text and put >> too much emphasis on those in some places helpful but uninspired notes >> at the bottom of the page. >> >> Pax, >> Steve >> >> MICHAEL SHARON TITTLE wrote: >> >> >>> Nobody said the babies would be sinless. The >>> nature will be there, but Christ will rule. >>> >>> At the end of the millenium, Rev 20 says that >>> God will send the fire from Heaven to destroy >>> them. >>> >>> Remember too that people will be 1000 years older by >>> the end of the mill. kingdom. >>> >>> When satan is loosed, as it says in Rev 20, people >>> >>> >>> >> rom the 4 points of the world will join satan against >> >> >>> GOd's people and will sin. (come against the camp of Israel) >>> >>> If there were no new sin, God would not have to destroy >>> any of those who are in the millenium kingdom >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> [Original Message] >>>> From: Steven G. Rockhill <revrock@...> >>>> To: <pastorsforum@...> >>>> Date: 1/17/2007 5:04:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] Requiring >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> tobe a teetotaler???) >>> >>> >>> >>>> The problem with forced compliance is that everyone who is a sinner will >>>> > > >>>> not comply. Sinners sin that is their nature. What is in their hearts >>>> eventually comes out - it cannot be held within. So then everyone will >>>> fail (except I guess for these supposed sinless babies that will be >>>> born). We sin because we are sinners. >>>> >>>> Pax, >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> Charles Cockroft wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> This is Why we rule with a "Rod of iron" a forced compliance with >>>>> penalities for falure. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rev. Charles Cockroft >>>>> Denison, Texas >>>>> pastorcockroft@... <mailto:pastorcockroft@...> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:55:23 -0500 >>>>>> From: ksigafoos@... >>>>>> To: pastorsforum@... >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Requiring to be a teetotaler???) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/17/07, Jeff Hallmark <bctexan@...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will there be sin in the millennial reign? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, as Bro. Mike mention in his post. And there will be babies >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> born in the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> millennial with Adam's nature and his likeness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Jeff and Mike. Two more questions (and these are honest >>>>>> questions as I haven't studied eschatology as much as I would like >>>>>> to). >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) If sin will be present in the millennial reign then how is Christ >>>>>> truly reigning if his subjects still rebel against him? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) How can God say he "will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and >>>>>> death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor >>>>>> pain anymore, for the former things have passed away." (Rev 21:4, c.f. >>>>>> Isa 25:8) If sin is still present than the "former things" have not >>>>>> passed away, have they? And pain, crying, and death are the result of >>>>>> sin; how then can he say that he has taken these things away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your answers. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Grace and peace, >>>>>> Kevin Sigafoos >>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>> For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be >>>>>> glory forever. Amen. 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