Steve, when do you think believers will "rule and reign" with Christ?
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given
unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of
Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in
their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and
of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out
of his prison,
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:08 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] Requiring tobe
a teetotaler???)
DW,
Didn't our Lord Jesus Christ teach that a sin in the heart is just as
sinful as a sin done in deed? Check out Mt. 5:20ff. Everyone sins in
heart and deed = no people in this kingdom to rule over.
Pax,
Steve
David Warner wrote:
> I don't have a problem with them being put to death under the "rod of
iron"
> righteous rule of the Savior. But there are going to be a lot of people
> born during that 1000 year period. With the restraining of Satan, much
evil
> will be restrained and the actions of an evil heart will be dealt with.
> Have you ever noticed how much "sin" people can control when they really
> have to? As a child, I could control a lot of sinning when mom or dad was
> around.
>
> D Warner
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] Requiring
tobe
> a teetotaler???)
>
> DW,
> does that mean they are immediately put to death? It would have to if
> they appear before the throne of Christ to answer for their sin - death
> is the only punishment applicable because Christ has already saved His
> people from their sins and gathered them together. And if death is the
> punishment then there very quickly would be no one left to rule over
> because a sinner can only do one thing - Sin! Unless of course the
> grace of God intervenes in a saving way.
>
> Pax,
> Steve
>
> David Warner wrote:
>
>> Steve, I don't think Mike is saying the sinner will be unable to sin as
>>
> much
>
>> as he is saying the sinner will be prevented from sinning and if/when he
>> sins, those sins are dealt with immediately, severely, with a rod of
iron.
>>
>> Hope I'm not just putting words in Mike's mouth, so to speak, that he
>>
> isn't
>
>> saying here. That is how I took what he was saying. Did I get it right
>> Mike, or were you saying something else?
>>
>> D Warner
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:40 AM
>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] Requiring
>>
> tobe
>
>> a teetotaler???)
>>
>> Oops sorry I misunderstood the phrase "born with the nature of Adam, in
>> his image" as being when he was created and not after the fall - my
>> bad. yet the problem remains that you have a sinner who is unable to
>> sin - this is impossible. A sinner, by nature sins - even in his/her
>> breathing and living because they do not do it for the glory of God.
>> Even the good deeds and "obedience" of a sinner are as filthy rags to
>> God. As someone has already pointed out - with a sin nature we do not
>> need satan to sin - we are drawn into temptation and sin by our own
>> lusts and desires. To me this whole line of thinking (Christ reigning
>> that brings only an outward appearance of peace so the lion lays down
>> with the lamb yet is salivating because he wants to eat the lamb or a
>> muslim will sit down with a Jew in an appearance of peace but inwardly
>> wants to destroy him) this all does a great injustice to the atonement
>> and what Christ accomplished. It is offering salvation (resisting the
>> temptation to be deceived by Satan at the "loosing") through some other
>> means rather than Christ's once for all shed blood. But of course this
>> is the key problem of dispensationalism in the first place, isn't it ---
>> The shed blood of Christ has never been the only way to salvation
>> throughout every age .... so if there was a different way before Christ
>> then it shouldn't be surprising that there is a different way after
>> Christ. Troubles abound when we drop below the biblical text and put
>> too much emphasis on those in some places helpful but uninspired notes
>> at the bottom of the page.
>>
>> Pax,
>> Steve
>>
>> MICHAEL SHARON TITTLE wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Nobody said the babies would be sinless. The
>>> nature will be there, but Christ will rule.
>>>
>>> At the end of the millenium, Rev 20 says that
>>> God will send the fire from Heaven to destroy
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Remember too that people will be 1000 years older by
>>> the end of the mill. kingdom.
>>>
>>> When satan is loosed, as it says in Rev 20, people
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> rom the 4 points of the world will join satan against
>>
>>
>>> GOd's people and will sin. (come against the camp of Israel)
>>>
>>> If there were no new sin, God would not have to destroy
>>> any of those who are in the millenium kingdom
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> [Original Message]
>>>> From: Steven G. Rockhill <revrock@...>
>>>> To: <pastorsforum@...>
>>>> Date: 1/17/2007 5:04:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum] Requiring
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> tobe a teetotaler???)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The problem with forced compliance is that everyone who is a sinner
will
>>>>
>
>
>>>> not comply. Sinners sin that is their nature. What is in their hearts
>>>> eventually comes out - it cannot be held within. So then everyone will
>>>> fail (except I guess for these supposed sinless babies that will be
>>>> born). We sin because we are sinners.
>>>>
>>>> Pax,
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Charles Cockroft wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is Why we rule with a "Rod of iron" a forced compliance with
>>>>> penalities for falure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rev. Charles Cockroft
>>>>> Denison, Texas
>>>>> pastorcockroft@... <mailto:pastorcockroft@...>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:55:23 -0500
>>>>>> From: ksigafoos@...
>>>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The millenium (Re: [PastorsForum]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Requiring to be a teetotaler???)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/17/07, Jeff Hallmark <bctexan@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will there be sin in the millennial reign?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, as Bro. Mike mention in his post. And there will be babies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> born in the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> millennial with Adam's nature and his likeness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Jeff and Mike. Two more questions (and these are honest
>>>>>> questions as I haven't studied eschatology as much as I would like
>>>>>> to).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) If sin will be present in the millennial reign then how is Christ
>>>>>> truly reigning if his subjects still rebel against him?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) How can God say he "will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and
>>>>>> death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying
nor
>>>>>> pain anymore, for the former things have passed away." (Rev 21:4,
c.f.
>>>>>> Isa 25:8) If sin is still present than the "former things" have not
>>>>>> passed away, have they? And pain, crying, and death are the result of
>>>>>> sin; how then can he say that he has taken these things away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grace and peace,
>>>>>> Kevin Sigafoos
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>> For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be
>>>>>> glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36)
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