you are just so wrong - to say "i absolutley believe in no absolutes" is wong - and notice, if you need - reread my post - i do not say that :) i say, i do not believe in absolute truth - and no, nothing is "absolute" :) pax jok --- Derick Dickens <Derick@...> wrote: > So is this belief you have an absolute belief? To > say that you don't > believe in absolute truth is to say an absolute > statement which in turns > shows that you are not logically consistent. > > Derick > > -------Original Message------- > > From: pastorsforum@... > Date: 2/5/2004 2:58:16 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] New Topics > > ok - it is time for me to come out of the closet :) > and open myself for attack :) > > i do not believe, as most postmodern/emerging > people, > in "absolute truth" - in the reality that no one can > even know an absolute :) no one can say that they > know that God is 100% real - if that were the case > we > would not need faith :) remember, "faith is > believeing in things not seen..." and i have 100% > faith in God - now, that is n ot to say that God is > not truth - it is only to say that no human can say > that they know the "absolute truth" of God :) > > i believe all truth is subjective - and can not be > objective - truth is seen in the community we belong > too. for example - i believe that jesus is the > christ, God in flesh - my truth says that a divorced > man can serve as pastor, and that we are not saved > by > works (they are a fruit of our savlation), and that > baptism is not required for salvation - others, in > other communities, may not see those as "truth" - > and > for us, that is cool :) because we see things in a > subjective point of view. that is one reason why > the > postmodern/emerging converstation is seen as > "liberial" in theology - because we allow others to > differ with us, and those with a more "fundy" point > of > view see that as "liberial" - but i have several > friends in rather "fundy" churches and all is good > with us :) > > when we say, "jesus is truth" are we saying "jesus > is > truth, the way i see it" or are we saying, "jesus is > truth, and it can only be the way i see it"? i have > no problem with saying "jesus is truth" - but must > that "truth" be in line with the way you see jesus? > > pax > jok > > ps - the can of worms has two ends :) > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: pastorsforum@... > > Date: 02/05/04 07:40:54 > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] New Topics > > > > Im back.......hello....did ya miss me? > > > > absolute truth......ok lets go...... > > > > You ask what is truth....??? > > well that is certainly not a new question.... > > another asked that many moons ago too.... > > > > John 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? > > > > ......and just think ....the poor dude was starin > it > > in the face.....whoa... > > > > Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, > is > > come, he will guide you > > into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; > > but whatsoever he shall > > hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you > > things to come. > > Joh 17:17 � Sanctify them through thy truth: thy > > word is truth. > > Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, > > that they also might be > > sanctified through the truth. > > > > > > I know you didnt want anyone to tell you 'God is > > truth" > > but....consider the following in light of the > > above.... > > > > Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt > > among us, > > > > > > soooooo.....based on the above scripture I will > tell > > you what I think.... > > > > the Spirit is Truth > > the Word is Truth > > and Jesus is Truth.... > > > > > > this is the whole truth... > > nothin but the truth.. > > so help me ....God is truth... > > > > yahoooooooo > > this is fun stuff... > > pastor h. > > > > > > > > Pastor Hughes > > East Mesa Baptist Church > > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: john okeefe <jxpxus@...> > > To: <pastorsforum@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] New Topics > > > > > > > david - > > > > > > well, i for one would love to get back to the > > topic of > > > "absolute truth" - i still have not gotten a > > > defination of what it means to each person - and > > > please, give an answer not a "God is aboslute > > truth" - > > > i want to know what you think, and not the > > "corporate > > > line" :) i ask because several people have > > wondered > > > what i think - and i am very willing to discuss > > this - > > > given that fact that i am 99.99888% sure (as i > > like to > > > say, "ivery certianity) that we will differ on > the > > > subject :) > > > > > > pax > > > jok > > > > > > > > > --- DAVID POWELL <dpowellaz@...> wrote: > > > > I think we have just about beat all these dead > > > > horses as much as they are going to take! Do > > any of > > > > you have any new blood for us? I have assured > > > > several here on PF that I will let the topics > go > > on > > > > as long as they want to talk about them. That > > still > > > > goes but things are getting repetitive. I am > > not > > > > cutting anything off, I am just encouraging > all > > to > > > > find some other topic that we can set the > world > > > > straight on!! > > > > > > > > I hope everyone is enjoying this even if > > everybody > > > > is all wrong except me and Iggy! > > > > > > > > Dr. David Powell (part-time moderator) > > > > Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > > > > (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > john o'keefe > > > http://www.ginkworld.net > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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