I can't.  I can't.  (please do not interpret that second "can't" as a
re-can't)


D Warner
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:55 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Who Baptizes?

DW,
I'm not sure I understand where you are coming from - could you be a 
little more specific? :-P

Pax,
Steve

David Warner wrote:
>
> I was Baptist born. I was Baptist bred. And when I die, I'll be 
> Baptist dead. What if I wasn't a Baptist? If I wasn't a Baptist I'd be 
> ashamed. (Spurgeon said that I believe)
>
> Well, maybe I'll change to something else just before I die.
>
> The Baptist pastor approached one of his deacons:
> "Brother Jones, I heard you became a Catholic.
> It just doesn't seem like you.
> You have been a Baptist all your life!"
> "Pastor," deacon Jones responded, "I just learned
> that I have a month to live and I thought it would be better
> for them to lose one of theirs than for us to lose one of ours!"
>
> I'm an Independent, Fundamental, Blood-bought, bible preaching, 
> KJV/TR, Biblical Baptist who does not ascribe to neo-evangelicalism, 
> modernism in any form, Calvinism, hyper-dispensationalism, 
> para-church-ism, charismatic, continuing revelation or any of the 
> other heresies that some Baptists have chosen to follow.
>
> D Warner
>
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>
> *From:* Art Dunham [mailto:artthebaptist@...]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:31 PM
> *To:* pastorsforum@...
> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] Who Baptizes?
>
> Brother Warner,
>
> What kind of Baptist are you? We're not supposed to be loving and 
> treating others well. ;-)
>
> This has been stimulating to me intellectually and spiritually, my 
> brain doesn't wake up all that often...
>
> Art Dunham
>
> On 1/30/07, *David Warner* <dwarner@... 
> <mailto:dwarner@...>> wrote:
>
> Steve, I think you and your posts are above average.
> I'm no doubt on the bottom. At least I don't have a problem obeying the
> last portion of the verse. Phil 2:3 "...in lowliness of mind let each
> esteem other better than themselves."
>
> D Warner
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@... 
> <mailto:revrock@...>]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Who Baptizes?
>
> I apologize for using the term "average Joe" because it has been
> misinterpreted and led to an unnecessary rabbit trail. Maybe I should
> have said "joe member" - certainly I was not seeking to insult members I
> was just trying to make a distinction between officers and laity. I
> have no problem with cleaning the toilets and lately I have been the one
> shoveling the walks in the frigid temperatures on Sunday mornings so my
> people don't have to walk through the snow. My use of "average joe" was
> not an insult - I was hoping folks would be able to figure out the
> intended meaning, but I guess I was wrong. And I never referred to
> ordained officers as "above average" - to draw the conclusion is to
> misapply the intent.
> By the way I thought your name was Jerry, not Joe :-D
>
> Pax,
> Steve
>
> Jerry Krewson wrote:
> > Amen Doc,
> > I too was curious about the "average Joe's" reference? I am an
> > ordained Pastor, and I feel just like I did before I was ordained:
> > Just an average Joe who is a pastor. I realize that the Catholics see
> > their higharcy, not as average Joe's, but I didn't think we
> > non-Catholic pastors saw ourselves as "above average Joe's." Above
> > average is the opposite of average isn't it?
> >
> > Just an "average Joe" in Christ fulfilling my own particular
> > call--when it is my turn to clean the toilets, I clean the toilets.
> >
> > When was the last time some of you guys did that?
> > jerry k
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Dpowellaz2@... <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...> <mailto: 
> Dpowellaz2@... <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...>>
> > *To:* pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...> 
> <mailto:pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...>>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:29 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] Who Baptizes?
> >
> > In a message dated 1/30/2007 7:06:43 A.M. US Mountain Standard
> > Time, revrock@... <mailto:revrock@...> 
> <mailto:revrock@... <mailto:revrock@...>> writes:
> >
> > Doc,
> > Turn your question around - Where in Scripture do we find someone
> > baptizing who has not been ordained? (i.e. there are no
> > average Joe's
> > baptizing people - only the apostles, ordained elders and
> > deacons. BTW
> > ordaining is the "laying on of hands" - Acts 6:6.
> >
> > Pax,
> > Steve
> >
> > It doesn't matter how you turn it. There is no biblical mandate
> > on who has the authority to baptize. I believe that Phillip was
> > just a deacon and he baptized the Eunuch on his way to Ethiopia!
> > Also in Acts 9 a man that was described as just a disciple (an
> > average Joe) named Ananias ministered to Saul and then baptized
> > him. Give me a scripture reference showing that an ordained Elder
> > baptized someone! In fact, even the concept of the Christian
> > clergy is not substantiated in scripture. The concept of one man
> > eing the "Pastor" of the church is also not substantiated.
> > Usually it was a group of "Elders" presbuteroi or "Bishop",
> > episkipoi! In the body of Christ there is no such thing as an
> > average Joe! We are all part of a Royal Priesthood!
> > Doc
> >
> > */Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua!/** *
> > (*Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!*)
> > Pastor David Powell
> >
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