Charlie,
I think Free Will Baptists believe that a Christian can lose their
salvation.
Is this correct?
If so, do you consider yourself Arminian in theology?
Does your church denomination hold to the points of Arminianism?
Thanks for your input!
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven G Rockhill" <revrock@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Calvinistic churches?
> Jerry,
> That is why I said semi-arminian. Your average Joe Baptist Church ( :-P )
> is not going to claim to be arminian but their doctrine is often
> semi-arminian (again because they believe you cannot lose your salvation
> where a full fledged Arminian would say you can.).
>
> Pax,
> Steve
>
> Jerry wrote:
>> Thanks Kevin and Steve ....
>> Do Lutheran churches have any Calvinistic influences?
>> The only Methodists that I have had contact with are the United
>> Methodists, and their doctrine is far removed from anything Armenian. My
>> wife's family are mostly UM and they would think anyone crazy if they
>> started asking about them being Armenian.
>> I have never had any contact with Congregationist churches. I do not
>> think any of them are around here (South Carolina).
>> We have lots of Presbyterian churches here but most of them are very
>> quiet and not at all evangelistic. My son's fiancé is Presbyterian and I
>> visited church with them a few weeks ago. The pastor preached a good
>> sermon but the ending was on a very low keel with him saying that if
>> anyone had any questions about becoming a Christian they could call the
>> number printed in the bulletin.
>> I never thought of R Shuler's church as being Calvinistic ... never
>> thought of their name as "reformed."
>> Kevin said,
>> Only thing I'd add is that most, if not all, Charismatic/Pentecostal
>> churches are Armenian.
>> I have been around Charismatic and Pentecostal churches, preachers, and
>> believers a good bit, but I do not know of any of them that would call
>> themselves Armenian. Maybe their heritage has some Armenian belief
>> influence but I don't think they could properly be called that now. Most
>> all of them would say that both doctrinal systems are full of error and
>> are the works of men and not God.
>> Most of them would have no idea whatsoever you were talking about if you
>> started going over the points of Armenianism. Probably the only exception
>> would have to do with the preservation of the saints issue. I think most
>> Pentecostal/Charismatic groups would hold to the position that a
>> Christian can forsake (not lose) his salvation by purposefully turning
>> away from the Lord.
>> Perhaps some of our Pentecostal brethren on the list could comment on
>> this.
>> Also, maybe someone could post the points of Armenianism and see if the
>> Pentecostals on the forum identify with any of them. I have serious
>> doubts that they will, ... but I am interested in the response.
>> Jerry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Kevin Sigafoos <mailto:ksigafoos@...>
>> *To:* pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 4:01 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] Calvinistic churches?
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>> I think Steve has it right -- it's hard to come up with a clear
>> cut list. Only thing I'd add is that most, if not all,
>> Charismatic/Pentecostal churches are Armenian.
>> Concerning the SBC and Calvinist seminary teachers: I think you
>> have it backwards. The SBC seminaries are busting at the seems
>> because the sound, biblical (read Calvinist) teaching is drawing
>> men hungry for such teaching. At least that is the case at SBTS. God
>> is raising up men eager to preach ALL of God's Word and to let
>> God sovereignly bring revival. I don't have the precise figures
>> but I wouldn't be surprised if enrollment at SBTS quadrupled since
>> Mohler took over and replaces 99% of the faculty.
>>
>> On 2/2/07, *Jerry* <jlew@... <mailto:jlew@...>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>> Could someone please provide a listing of denominations that
>> are Calvinistic and Armenium in their doctrine???
>> Also, are these churches considered to be strong in their
>> evangelistic endeavors?
>> I have read that only about 10 % of Southern Baptists are
>> Calvinistic. It does seem like that number is growing because
>> many cemetery professors are Calvinistic and they are
>> indoctrinating the students with it.
>> Thanks!
>> Jerry
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