Doc, Cool down on the accusations!! Kevin's statement is the logical conclusion to your philosophical rationale. You make this bold claim > The point of contention is that according to God's Word, salvation is > tied with belief and choice and responsibility. And yet you make no biblical argument to back it up in regards to aborted children, children who die in infancy and handicapped folk. In fact when you make this claim you are then asserting that it is impossible for the aformentiond group of people to go to heaven at all. How can they be saved and go to heaven if they cannot believe? Isn't that what you were just arguing against my position regarding God's decree of election? Then at least be consistent and apply it to your own position would ya!!!!!! Doc, you have the audacity to call our position a "philosophy"; but you mistake philosophy with a well reasoned Biblical argument. On the other hand, your "philosophy" (which indeed it truly is) has not a shred of Biblical support. Also your redefinition of what it means to be born with a "sin nature" (i.e. a sinner but not guilty) is not Biblical and has never throughout 2,000+ years of Church history been the orthodox position. Steve Dpowellaz2@... wrote: > In a message dated 8/20/2007 1:08:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > ksigafoos@... writes: > > Then abortion, infanticide, and euthanizing the > mentally handicapped are the most merciful and kind acts that > one can perform for another human being. And Planned Parenthood > is the most effective means for advancing God's Kingdom ever devised. > > Kevin, that is an asinine statement and I would expect more from you! > > > Think about it, Doc. If man is born innocent, as you say, and can > only be condemned by actively rejecting Christ. Then call home > the missionaries! Don't spread the Gospel! Kill all the babies! > It would be better to kill them young so that they might not hear > the Gospel with the possibility that they would reject it. > > Again, your statement is ludicrous. Are you saying that an aborted > child is guilty of sin and therefore bound to hell? The point of > contention is that according to God's Word, salvation is tied with > belief and choice and responsibility. If it does not then there would > be absolutely no reason to spread the gospel because no matter what we > do it will not make a difference. Why would the Word tell us to teach > all, witness to all, share with all? To say that one's choice makes > no difference goes against the scriptures. I believe that all are > born with a sinful nature, from the fall, but all are not guilty of > sin when by definition sin is the will full disobedience of God's > commands. Or, if you will, missing the mark. If I were to use your > reasoning then the most efficient thing after salvation would be to > die and straight to heaven thereby not having to deal with temptation. > Doc > > > Your position is nonsensical and unbiblical. > > -- > > Grace and peace, > Kevin Sigafoos > > > */Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua!/** * > (*Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!*) > Pastor David Powell > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982>. > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubs > cribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pastor Steven G. Rockhill Lisbon Reformed Presbyterian Church PO Box 88 Lisbon, NY 13658 315-393-9041 revrock@... http://lisbonrpc.port5.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++