NO. The Lutheran does not agree that intellect plays a role. It is an act of volition. It is an act of the will. That is why Jesus says to become like a child --- a child is not overly-encumbered by "reason" but more readily has faith than an adult who says, "but what about..." I realize our group is probably the odd duck out on this one, but we don't "mind." :) Blessings, Randy > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 4:01 PM, <Dpowellaz2@...> wrote: > >> I think I am a sinful man who, because of God's Word and his sacrifice >> of >> His Son on the cross, made a conscious decision to believe by faith and >> receive Jesus as my Savior. At the moment I accepted him into my heart >> I >> received salvation, regeneration. So if I am what I think then this is >> what >> I am! >> > > Doc, > > Your use of "conscious decision to believe" leads me to ask you "what if > you > loose consciousness?" > > I think everyone here agrees that the intellect plays at least some role > in > our salvation. Derick and I and the rest of the "Reformed Brethren", > while > ascribing the source of our faith in the Sovereign will of God, still > acknowledge that there is a necessary response of faith on the part of man > in the act of regeneration. I believe that Derick and I would both say > that > regeneration precedes faith. I believe that you would deny this. > > However, if faith is a "conscious decision to believe" and this faith has > its source in man and not God, then what happens when we loose > consciousness? Do we loose our salvation? > > Does an Alzheimer's or amnesia patient loose his salvation if he forgets > the decision that he made? > > Before you quickly respond with "Hogwash" or "That's ridiculous," please > think critically about this for a minute. It seems to follow logically > from > your definition of faith that if man's ability to make a conscious > decisions > is removed then he cannot be saved. What do you say? > > > -- > > Grace and peace, > Kevin Sigafoos > --------------------- > For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory > forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36) > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >