WOW, Randy, you are sure on a run today!!!!
Hey, ... Is it common for Lutheran pastors to imbibe?
About 3 or 4 years ago, there was a big controversy with a Lutheran leader
being rebuked because he participated in an interfaith service with some
leaders form non-Christian religions. I think this was with the LCMS. Have
things settled down from that?
Jerry
"a great multitude of people . which came to hear him, and to be healed of
their diseases; And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were
healed. And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue
out of him, and healed them all" (Luke 6:17-19).
----- Original Message -----
From: <shieldwolf@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
> Pain in the neck wine drinker...Paul was clearly either Lutheran or
> Anglican. Which is why he used the KJV.
>
> (Sorry, still got that wacky mood going on. You see, I was actually,
> officially installed as the Lay Minister at Christ Lutheran this past
> weekend and I'm rather jazzed.)
>
> <More dancing>
>
> Blessings,
> Randy
>
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Can you prove conclusively that Paul was sick with a pain in his side and
>> needed healing???
>>
>> I have had a pain in my neck on more than one occasion, and you know
>> what?
>> It wasn't healing that I needed. The pain in the neck was a person. Same
>> with Paul.
>>
>> Oh, and Timothy, Paul told him he needed to drink some wine. :-)
>>
>> Jerry
>> "a great multitude of people . which came to hear him, and to be healed
>> of
>> their diseases; And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they
>> were healed. And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went
>> virtue out of him, and healed them all" (Luke 6:17-19).
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bill burns
>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>>
>>
>> I think it goes back to God's will and only He has the entire picture
>> of
>> how things work out in His overall plan for Man. He didn't heal the
>> Apostle Paul's pain in his side either when it comes down to who is
>> healed and who is not, nor did He take away Timothy's bad stomach.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Gary Webb <mgwebb@...> wrote:
>> Jerry,
>>
>> Many people, even godly people like Fanny Crosby, experienced great
>> physical afflictions that lasted throughout their lives. Why weren't
>> they healed? Do you know anyone who has been the victim of a crime
>> that resulted in physical injury that never completely healed? Why
>> weren't they healed? What about those who were born with birth
>> defects of one kind or another, like the man who was born blind in
>> John 9. Not all of them experience a miraculous healing like that man
>> did? BTW, we know he didn't have any particular knowledge of Christ
>> or faith prior to his healing.
>>
>> We can all rejoice when healing occurs. We can all pray fervently
>> when a loved one is suffering. We give God glory for those times when
>> healing comes. But what about those times when healing doesn't come.
>> What are we to do then? Is it just that we are to torment ourselves
>> with doubts about our faith? Are we to be bitter against God for not
>> moving as we have believed He has promised? Again, we know what to do
>> when healing happens, but isn't there some special faith needed to
>> endure and persevere when faith doesn't come?
>>
>> Every healing in this life is temporary because death eventually
>> claims us all. But there is an ultimate healing that will not fade
>> away. It will come with a new body that does not have sin within it
>> or around it. The great issue for the Christian is not IF we will be
>> healed, but WHEN. Will our healing come this side of the grave or on
>> the other? I don't have many answers about healing. I've seen it
>> happen. I've seen it not happen. I've cried out for it with all my
>> heart without seeing it happen. That doesn't mean I haven't been
>> heard. I especially cry over the needs of my dear wife after a wicked
>> and confused young man hit her car and fled the scene, leaving her to
>> die. She did not, by the grace of God. But even as she is healing,
>> there have been mixed results. The doctor said that her hearing was
>> the result of a damaged nerve and might slowly recover some, but
>> probably very little hearing. The next day, her ear popped and the
>> sound poured in clearly. She's back to her strangely intense hearing
>> level of before the accident. Her left eye cannot see any light at
>> all. I've seen the photos from inside her eye. The optic nerve is
>> dead. Could God heal that too? Just as easily as the ear! Will He
>> do that? I still cling to that hope and plead for His mercy, but I
>> don't know. I didn't know for sure about her ear. I don't know about
>> her eye. I just know He does all things well. He will get glory, and
>> we will come out on the other side of this thing much more like Jesus
>> than we were going in.
>>
>>
>> GARY WEBB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: shieldwolf@...
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:23 PM
>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>>
>>
>> You could get into some great "perfect vs. permissive" will
>> discussions. :)
>>
>> Come to think of it, I think we already have. :)
>>
>> Thy Kingdom come,
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Randy
>>
>> > Randy,
>> >
>> >>>>>As to how it works, is this a curiosity or do you have a
>> specific
>> >>>>> reason
>> > you are asking? (I'm curious)
>> >
>> > I was meditating on John 6:38 and thinking of what it meant in
>> regard to
>> > the
>> > healing
>> > ministry of Christ. When He cast out demons, healed the blind, and
>> lame,
>> > He
>> > was
>> > doing the will of the Father who sent Him. Christ NEVER told
>> anyone
>> that
>> > it
>> > was
>> > not God's will to heal them or that there was some higher purpose
>> in
>> their
>> > remaining sick.
>> > Everyone who came to Christ for healing was healed.
>> >
>> > Since Jesus came to do the will of the Father, His entire ministry
>> was a
>> > revelation
>> > of the will of God.
>> >
>> > His ministry is summed up in Mat 4 and Mat 9:
>> > Matt 4:23-24
>> > 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues,
>> and
>> > preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of
>> sickness
>> > and
>> > all manner of disease among the people.
>> > 24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto
>> him
>> all
>> > sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and
>> those
>> > which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick,
>> and
>> those
>> > that had the palsy; and he healed them.
>> >
>> > Matt 9:35
>> > 35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in
>> their
>> > synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing
>> every
>> > sickness and every disease among the people.
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> > "Beware lest Satan steal away the riches of the Bible from you by
>> having
>> > men
>> > tell you that part of the Bible is out of date and was not meant
>> for
>> you."
>> > John R. Rice
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <shieldwolf@...>
>> > To: <pastorsforum@...>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:50 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>> >
>> >
>> >>I agree with you. However, Sabellianists or Montanists or
>> so-called
>> >> "Apostolic" folk would disagree.
>> >>
>> >> As to how it works, is this a curiosity or do you have a specific
>> reason
>> >> you are asking? (I'm curious)
>> >>
>> >> Blessings,
>> >> Randy
>> >>
>> >>> Randy,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Christ's will was obviously not the same as the Father's will
>> according
>> >>> to
>> >>> John 6:38 and Luke 22:42, so I am asking "how this could be?"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> In Luke 22, his will was contrary, or in opposition, yet He
>> submitted
>> >>> to
>> >>> the
>> >>> will of the Father.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> In John 6, He stated that His coming was to perform the will of
>> the
>> >>> Father
>> >>> and not to perform His will alone.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jerry
>> >>>
>> >>> "Beware lest Satan steal away the riches of the Bible from you by
>> >>> having
>> >>> men
>> >>> tell you that part of the Bible is out of date and was not meant
>> for
>> >>> you."
>> >>> John R. Rice
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: <shieldwolf@...>
>> >>> To: <pastorsforum@...>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:36 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Contrary? No.
>> >>>> Different from: Meaning, a different person, or a different
>> end?
>> :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Randy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> How can Jesus have a will contrary to or different from that of
>> the
>> >>>>> Father?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jerry
>> >>>>> â?oBut truly I am full of power by the Spirit of the LORDâ?
>> (Mic
>> >>>>> 3:8).
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: Jerry Krewson
>> >>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:18 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jerry,
>> >>>>> Even I know that one. Or maybe you are trying....
>> >>>>> jerry k
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: Jerry Lewis
>> >>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:57 AM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Mike,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What does that mean?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jerry
>> >>>>> â?oBut truly I am full of power by the Spirit of the
>> LORDâ?
>> (Mic
>> >>>>> 3:8).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: MICHAEL
>> >>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:02 AM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hey Jerry
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jesus prayed, "Not my will, but thine be done"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Mike
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Jerry" <jlew@...>
>> >>>>> To: "PASTORS FORUM" <pastorsforum@...>
>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:15:17 PM (GMT-0500)
>> >>>>> America/New_York
>> >>>>> Subject: [PastorsForum] The Will of Christ
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Gentlemen,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Did Jesus have a will separate from the Father?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
>> but
>> the
>> >>>>> will
>> >>>>> of Him that sent me" (John 6:38).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jerry
>> >>>>> "Beware lest Satan steal away the riches of the Bible
>> from
>> you
>> >>>>> by
>> >>>>> having men tell you that part of the Bible is out of date and
>> was
>> >>>>> not meant for you." John R. Rice
>> >>>>>
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