Derick: You put that very well. BTW, he does not hold to the apocrypha. Only those who use the 1611 KJV hold to the apocrypha (zowie, I just had to get that in...) Blessings, Randy > Jerry K., > > Let me note a couple of things.... > > First, What is the Bible? Defining that means you hold to a creed > > Secondly, what is the Trinity? Defining this means you hold to a creed. > > The problem is not with creeds, it is with what I believe to be an > irrational rejection of creeds. People want to say "I hold to the Bible." > Yet, the question is... what is the Bible you believe in. By stating that > you are stating a clear creed. Do you believe in the Apocrapha? Do you > discount the Gospel of Barnabas? Do you hold to Hebrews? > > You hold to the creed and even hold to things that are not explicit.... > you > just do not want to admit it. > > Derick > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Jerry Krewson > <pastorjerry@...> > wrote: > >> *Derick,* >> *Just your typical "hypocrite[ical] here. * >> ** >> *You said: * I agree that we know they rejected the Bible but the issue >> is >> that to say we reject creeds, means that we cannot dispute cults. >> *So when a JW tells me that Jesus is not God and I repeat John 1 to him, >> you wouldn't call that "disputing" a cult? * >> *So when a cult member says that Jesus is NOT the only way to heaven, >> and >> I take him to John 14:6 that is not disputing a cult? * >> >> *Now if you want to declare that to repeat Bible scripture as having a >> creed, ok. The Bible is my creed. * >> *So you can have, in name, any creed you desire; but do you have a >> problem >> with me having the "Bible as my creed?" * >> ** >> *And you said: *There were some uneducated people who say "No creed but >> the Bible", but they were hypocritical in that this is a creed in >> itself.I know some men who repeat "No creed but the Bible," and they >> would eat your >> educated arrogance for lunch. >> >> And I am quite serious, is my saying *the Bible is my creed, good enough >> to get off your hypocritical list, since you say "creed means, 'I >> believe?'" >> I believe the Bible, therefore it is my creed. * >> ** >> *And my uneducated questions, I sure don't hope you see them as to >> simplistic to answer.* >> *jerry k* >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Derick Dickens <derickdickens@...> >> *To:* pastorsforum@... >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:28 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] The Root Problem of the Church? >> >> Doc, >> >> I would invite your comments on my statements on our founders and their >> use of creeds. To say you are a Baptist means there is a creed >> involved... >> by her very nature "Baptist" is creedal. I agree that we know they >> rejected >> the Bible but the issue is that to say we reject creeds, means that we >> cannot dispute cults. A creed means, "I believe". Whenever you make a >> definitive statement on your belief you are making a statement of your >> creed. If you were to say that "I believe in the trinity", you are >> making a >> creedal statement. If you are saying "I am a Baptist who believes in >> believers Baptism", you are making a creedal statement. >> >> To say that we should reject creeds is to say we should reject >> statements >> of what we believe and hold to those statements. Baptists have held to >> creeds from the beginning. There were some uneducated people who say >> "No >> creed but the Bible", but they were hypocritical in that this is a creed >> in >> itself. >> >> Thus, anyone who limits their association with anyone whatsoever is by >> definition holding to a creedal statement. If you say this is a >> "Baptist >> Church", you are thus limiting what kind of church and thus making a >> creedal >> statement. >> >> Consistent Baptists hold to creeds. They are subject to the Bible and >> measured by the Bible but they are none-the-less held to by Baptists. >> That >> has been the issue, as cited in another post, of our founders. >> >> Derick >> >> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:20 AM, <Dpowellaz2@...> wrote: >> >> > In a message dated 4/12/2008 9:00:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >> > shieldwolf@... writes: >> > >> > And as Derick so correctly put it, we know they are cults because they >> > don't agree with Creeds, which are simply brief encapsulations of >> > scriptural truths. >> > Blessings, >> > Randy >> > >> > We know they are cults because they reject the biblical Jesus! >> > Mormonism calls him a brother of Lucifer. The JW's call Him just the >> first >> > thing that God created! Not a creed but a rejection of Jesus! All >> cults >> > reject the Biblical Jesus! >> > Doc >> > >> > *Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua!* >> > (*Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!*) >> > Pastor Dr. David Powell >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > It's Tax Time! 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