AH, you have called my bluff. :) I just wanted to make you think about is it a work of man, or of God? How you answer that, will determine how you view it. Randy > Randy, > > I'll acknowledge that I've met legalists in many groups including > Baptists, but do you really think that Baptists have historically believed > in salvation apart from the free grace of the Lord. I'm not sure what the > Lutheran position is...though I have read Luther's Galatians commentary. > Other than some strange comments here and there, I don't think his > comments on God's grace were a great departure from what many of us still > preach and teach. Of course, the doctrines of grace are almost forbidden > territory because it usually degenerates quickly into bizarre accusations > and name-calling rather than considerations about what particular passages > actually teach. > > > GARY WEBB > > > From: shieldwolf@... > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:03 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Baptist Stigma > > > I thought we talked about Baptism from a Lutheran perspective before this? > > BTW, most Lutherans would not consider Baptists as practicing "Orthodox" > Christianity because they deny the Lord's Supper is more than a "pretty > picture." Again, it all goes back to who is doing the work and why. If > it is God's Grace, then the Lutheran position makes more Biblical sense. > If it is all about man working for God, then the Baptist position makes > more sense. > > I'll never forget when another person in the BRE program at Grand Rapids > Baptist who became a Lutheran before I did (years before) sang to me: > "Free from the Law, Oh happy condition! I was a Baptist, now I'm a > Christian!" I didn't get it at the time---kinda actually ticked me off, > but now I understand: Whose work is it? > > Again, is it Grace or is it Works? > > Also, the lcms web site has great info on our position so I see no need to > repost it. > > Blessings, > Randy > >> David P. so if a church does not practice immersion, do you consider >> them >> a >> true NT Church??? >> >> If the church practice infant immersion, who has 'god-parent(s)' confess >> this child will live the christian life. >> >> Where as in scripture, the believer themselves confessed Christ and >> followed >> the Lord in 'believers baptism'. ie... ethiopia eunuch. >> >> So is the church that our Lutheran brother goes to a NT? >> >> >> btw, you started this line of questions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:20 PM, <Dpowellaz2@...> wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 5/21/2008 1:15:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >>> bctexan@... writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If after talking with them and finding that they were baptized >>> scripturaly for the right reasons (symbolic of the death burial, >>> resurr. >>> to >>> fulfill all rightesouness and not as a means of receiving grace or >>> salvation) and the baptism was done by immersion, yes I would. We do >>> not >>> accept anything but total immersion. We recently accepted life-long >>> Methodists contingent of them being baptized by immersion by our >>> church! >>> Doc >>> >>> *Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua!* >>> (*Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!*) >>> Pastor Dr. David Powell >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler >>> Florence" >>> on AOL >>> Food<http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002> >>> . >>> >>> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >>> >>> To unsubs >>> cribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Bro. Jeff Hallmark >> www.sprucelandbaptist.com >> http://baptist-potluck.blogspot.com/ >> >> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >> >> To unsubscribe, send a message to: >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >> > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > >