Oh yea, Randy,
That is just what I need, one more beer. One more beer and I am on my way to
being a drunk again.
Thanks for the invite [temptation].
jerry k
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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Sign Gifts
> My favorite sign gift is the one that says "This way to the Chinese
> buffet" when someone else is paying.
>
> So of course sign gifts exist today.
>
> I have this feeling that this discussion is like the whole Predestination
> one: Ya'all gonna just disagree. Now I'd suggest you go have a beer
> together and drop it, but since yer probably not the sort to do that,
> maybe you should just meet at the Chinese buffet instead. ;)
>
> Blessings,
> Randy
>
>
>> I have never known of any Mormons speaking in tongues, but any one should
>> realize that every spiritual gift can be counterfeited.
>>
>> And I do read in the Holy Bible how Jesus stated that those who believed
>> in Him would speak in tongues. If there was no other reference in the
>> Bible, that is good enough for me. The words of Christ in the Great
>> Commission are effective unto the end of the age. He said to teach all
>> things whatsoever He had commanded the apostles, and that includes
>> tongues!
>>
>> And I do read how the Bible states that when people were filled with the
>> Holy Spirit, they spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them the utterance.
>> That is enough for any Bible -believing Christian. Why some insist on not
>> accepting that is beyond me.
>>
>> And I do read in the Holy Bible that God gave spiritual gifts unto
>> people,
>> one of which is "speaking in tongues," and that He "set" certain
>> ministries in His Church, including "diversities of tongues." Oh, ...
>> and
>> that same Bible tells us that the gifts and calling of God are
>> irrevocable.
>>
>> And when I read in the Bible that Paul thanked God that he spoke in
>> tongues, and that he wanted all of the church to speak in tongues, ....
>> well, since he was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, he
>> was expressing the will of God for all believers. How dare we neglect
>> and
>> ignore something that was so very significant in the life of Paul, ...
>> especially since he gave instruction that we follow him as he followed
>> Christ!!!
>>
>> If it was good enough for the Apostle Paul, it is good enough for me!!!!
>>
>> Jerry
>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord,
>> who
>> was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders
>> to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jeff Hallmark
>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:48 PM
>> Subject: [PastorsForum] Sign Gifts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Remember Charles, I said not by guilt of association, but here is what
>> I
>> have. You can google and get more, but having done some study over the
>> years.
>>
>> When did your church begin to speak in tongues, ie... what year???
>>
>>
>> * DC 46:24-26, March 1831: "And again, it is given to some to speak
>> with
>> tongues; And to another is given the interpretation of tongues. And all
>> these gifts come from God, for the benefit of the children of God."
>>
>>
>> * Articles of Faith #7, March 1842; Pearl of Great Price;: "We believe
>> in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing,
>> interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
>>
>>
>> WHAT DOES MORMON HISTORY SAY?
>>
>>
>> * An Address to All Believers in Christ, by David Whitmer, p. 33, 1887:
>> The Holy Ghost was with us in more power during the eight months
>> previous to April 6, 1830, than ever at any time thereafter. Almost
>> everyone who was baptized received the Holy Ghost in power, some
>> prophesying, some speaking in tongues, the heavens were opened to some
>> and all the signs which Christ promised should follow the believers were
>> with us abundantly.
>>
>>
>> * History of the Church 4:485, Footnotes, spring 1831: "Soon after he
>> [Alpheus Gifford] went to Kirtland, Ohio, to see the Prophet Joseph
>> Smith and the brethren, when he was ordained an Elder; he was
>> accompanied by his brother Levi Elial Strong, Eleazar Miller, Enos
>> Curtis and Abraham Brown, who were baptized on returning to Pennsylvania
>> he preached and baptized many, among whom was Heber C. Kimball. The
>> gifts of the Gospel were enjoyed by many; signs following those that
>> believed, devils were cast out; the sick were healed; many prophesied;
>> some spake with new tongues; while others interpreted the same."
>>
>>
>> * History of the Church 1:295-297, November 1832: "About the 8th of
>> November I received a visit from Elders Joseph Young, Brigham Young, and
>> Heber C. Kimball of Mendon, Monroe county, New York. They spent four or
>> five days at Kirtland, during which we had many interesting moments. At
>> one of our interviews, Brother Brigham Young and John P. Greene spoke in
>> tongues, which was the first time I had heard this gift among the
>> brethren; others also spoke, and I [Joseph Smith] received the gift
>> myself."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:14 AM, JoynCharles <joyncharles@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jeff,
>> Where did you find that the Mormon Church ever spoke in tongues?
>> When they started their church their prophet met an angel who gave
>> him
>> a bible.
>> They have changed it many many times to correct the spelling and
>> other things.
>> If they did speak in tongues it could be where others began to
>> believe
>> tongues was of the devil.
>>
>> Rev. Charles Cockroft
>> Associate Pastor
>> First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas
>> A Church Without Walls
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Hallmark
>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:35 AM
>> To: pastorsforum@... ; openpastorsforum ; doctrinaldebate
>> Subject: [DoctrinalDebate] Sign Gifts
>>
>>
>> Greetings Gentile-men,
>>
>> For the most part, though history Baptist churches didn't practice
>> the
>> sign gifts. As many modern day churches, ie... Pentecostal/Charismatic
>> type churches.
>>
>> Not by guilt of association but 150 years ago, to my knowledge the
>> only church which spoke in tongues were the Mormon Church.
>>
>> I am sure someone can give evidence of other resources showing some
>> group preforming the "sign gifts" before 1860.
>>
>> However, Baptist people have been filled, empowered, baptized and
>> anointed with the Spirit of God, yet there were no sign gifts
>> following.
>>
>> Why, because these 'sign gifts' were for the early church and with
>> the
>> passing of the apostles, so were the passing of 'sign gifts'.
>>
>> Thanks for the discussion, it has been knowledgeable and eye opening.
>> I trust that no one has been offended by any of my remarks.
>>
>> Lets have a great week.
>>
>> --
>> Bro. Jeff Hallmark
>> www.sprucelandbaptist.com
>> http://baptist-potluck.blogspot.com/
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