Hey, as I tell my karate friends, I only drink on Sunday at 11:45am. You get some really funny looks when you say that. :) Blessings, Randy > Oh yea, Randy, > That is just what I need, one more beer. One more beer and I am on my way > to > being a drunk again. > Thanks for the invite [temptation]. > jerry k > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <shieldwolf@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Sign Gifts > > >> My favorite sign gift is the one that says "This way to the Chinese >> buffet" when someone else is paying. >> >> So of course sign gifts exist today. >> >> I have this feeling that this discussion is like the whole >> Predestination >> one: Ya'all gonna just disagree. Now I'd suggest you go have a beer >> together and drop it, but since yer probably not the sort to do that, >> maybe you should just meet at the Chinese buffet instead. ;) >> >> Blessings, >> Randy >> >> >>> I have never known of any Mormons speaking in tongues, but any one >>> should >>> realize that every spiritual gift can be counterfeited. >>> >>> And I do read in the Holy Bible how Jesus stated that those who >>> believed >>> in Him would speak in tongues. If there was no other reference in the >>> Bible, that is good enough for me. The words of Christ in the Great >>> Commission are effective unto the end of the age. He said to teach all >>> things whatsoever He had commanded the apostles, and that includes >>> tongues! >>> >>> And I do read how the Bible states that when people were filled with >>> the >>> Holy Spirit, they spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them the >>> utterance. >>> That is enough for any Bible -believing Christian. Why some insist on >>> not >>> accepting that is beyond me. >>> >>> And I do read in the Holy Bible that God gave spiritual gifts unto >>> people, >>> one of which is "speaking in tongues," and that He "set" certain >>> ministries in His Church, including "diversities of tongues." Oh, ... >>> and >>> that same Bible tells us that the gifts and calling of God are >>> irrevocable. >>> >>> And when I read in the Bible that Paul thanked God that he spoke in >>> tongues, and that he wanted all of the church to speak in tongues, .... >>> well, since he was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, he >>> was expressing the will of God for all believers. How dare we neglect >>> and >>> ignore something that was so very significant in the life of Paul, ... >>> especially since he gave instruction that we follow him as he followed >>> Christ!!! >>> >>> If it was good enough for the Apostle Paul, it is good enough for >>> me!!!! >>> >>> Jerry >>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, >>> who >>> was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and >>> wonders >>> to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jeff Hallmark >>> To: pastorsforum@... >>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:48 PM >>> Subject: [PastorsForum] Sign Gifts >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Remember Charles, I said not by guilt of association, but here is >>> what >>> I >>> have. You can google and get more, but having done some study over the >>> years. >>> >>> When did your church begin to speak in tongues, ie... what year??? >>> >>> >>> * DC 46:24-26, March 1831: "And again, it is given to some to speak >>> with >>> tongues; And to another is given the interpretation of tongues. And all >>> these gifts come from God, for the benefit of the children of God." >>> >>> >>> * Articles of Faith #7, March 1842; Pearl of Great Price;: "We >>> believe >>> in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, >>> interpretation of tongues, and so forth. >>> >>> >>> WHAT DOES MORMON HISTORY SAY? >>> >>> >>> * An Address to All Believers in Christ, by David Whitmer, p. 33, >>> 1887: >>> The Holy Ghost was with us in more power during the eight months >>> previous to April 6, 1830, than ever at any time thereafter. Almost >>> everyone who was baptized received the Holy Ghost in power, some >>> prophesying, some speaking in tongues, the heavens were opened to some >>> and all the signs which Christ promised should follow the believers >>> were >>> with us abundantly. >>> >>> >>> * History of the Church 4:485, Footnotes, spring 1831: "Soon after he >>> [Alpheus Gifford] went to Kirtland, Ohio, to see the Prophet Joseph >>> Smith and the brethren, when he was ordained an Elder; he was >>> accompanied by his brother Levi Elial Strong, Eleazar Miller, Enos >>> Curtis and Abraham Brown, who were baptized on returning to >>> Pennsylvania >>> he preached and baptized many, among whom was Heber C. Kimball. The >>> gifts of the Gospel were enjoyed by many; signs following those that >>> believed, devils were cast out; the sick were healed; many prophesied; >>> some spake with new tongues; while others interpreted the same." >>> >>> >>> * History of the Church 1:295-297, November 1832: "About the 8th of >>> November I received a visit from Elders Joseph Young, Brigham Young, >>> and >>> Heber C. Kimball of Mendon, Monroe county, New York. They spent four or >>> five days at Kirtland, during which we had many interesting moments. At >>> one of our interviews, Brother Brigham Young and John P. Greene spoke >>> in >>> tongues, which was the first time I had heard this gift among the >>> brethren; others also spoke, and I [Joseph Smith] received the gift >>> myself." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:14 AM, JoynCharles <joyncharles@...> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Jeff, >>> Where did you find that the Mormon Church ever spoke in tongues? >>> When they started their church their prophet met an angel who gave >>> him >>> a bible. >>> They have changed it many many times to correct the spelling and >>> other things. >>> If they did speak in tongues it could be where others began to >>> believe >>> tongues was of the devil. >>> >>> Rev. Charles Cockroft >>> Associate Pastor >>> First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas >>> A Church Without Walls >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jeff Hallmark >>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:35 AM >>> To: pastorsforum@... ; openpastorsforum ; doctrinaldebate >>> Subject: [DoctrinalDebate] Sign Gifts >>> >>> >>> Greetings Gentile-men, >>> >>> For the most part, though history Baptist churches didn't practice >>> the >>> sign gifts. As many modern day churches, ie... Pentecostal/Charismatic >>> type churches. >>> >>> Not by guilt of association but 150 years ago, to my knowledge the >>> only church which spoke in tongues were the Mormon Church. >>> >>> I am sure someone can give evidence of other resources showing some >>> group preforming the "sign gifts" before 1860. >>> >>> However, Baptist people have been filled, empowered, baptized and >>> anointed with the Spirit of God, yet there were no sign gifts >>> following. >>> >>> Why, because these 'sign gifts' were for the early church and with >>> the >>> passing of the apostles, so were the passing of 'sign gifts'. >>> >>> Thanks for the discussion, it has been knowledgeable and eye >>> opening. >>> I trust that no one has been offended by any of my remarks. >>> >>> Lets have a great week. >>> >>> -- >>> Bro. 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