The question wasn't why would someone say that, but why would the think
that.
Can you give answer for why someone who think that about you--if they did?
PDW
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Krewson [mailto:pastorjerry@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:43 AM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
Gee, pastor h,
I remember someone telling me that a couple years ago. Maybe you remember?
jerry k
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pastor Hughes" <embc@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
> why would anyone think you were going to hell?
>
> can you tell me ???
>
> thanks
> pastor h.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <shieldwolf@...>
> To: <pastorsforum@...>
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>
>
>> Don't worry, Jerry. I'm sure they think I'm going to Hell. I think
>> that
>> goes back to the whole "stigma" discussion which seems to support the
>> whole "legalism" discussion that was had.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>> PDW,
>>> If you wish to characterize me as that, I can handle that. I have been
>>> accused of worse.
>>> MAKE IT a great weekend.
>>> jerry k
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Warner
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:39 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>> Well you are just full of profanity today, aren't you!
>>>
>>> A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good
>>> things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil
>>> things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak,
>>> they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words
>>> thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
>>>
>>> (Matthew 12:35-37)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> From: Jerry Krewson [mailto:pastorjerry@...]
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:05 PM
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heck if I know!
>>>
>>> jerry k
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: David Warner
>>>
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:27 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>> Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't "Darn" an euphemism for "Damn"? I've always thought it was?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> From: Jerry Krewson [mailto:pastorjerry@...]
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:20 PM
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>> Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When a believer is filled with the Holy Spirit, he can speak in
>>> tongues anywhere.
>>>
>>> Darn, all this time I thought I was filled with the Holy Spirit?
>>>
>>> jerry k
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Jerry
>>>
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:13 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>> Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jimbo,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The church that I currently pastor would not be termed a
>>> "Charismatic church." We have not had anyone speak in tongues
>>> publicly in any services in the short time I have been here, that I
>>> am aware of.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, we do often have special prayer with laying on of hands
>>> for
>>> the sick at their request according to James 5:14-16.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been in many services in the past where all spiritual gifts
>>> were in operation. There are no "circumstances" that trigger
>>> tongues-speaking in a service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When a believer is filled with the Holy Spirit, he can speak in
>>> tongues anywhere. Paul's instruction in the letter to the
>>> Corinthians is to not practice it in the church service UNLESS there
>>> is the interpretation to accompany it, the reason being, speaking in
>>> tongues edifies and spiritually builds up the one doing the speaking
>>> and not the entire church (1 Cor. 14:2-6, 18-19). Prophecy edifies
>>> and spiritually builds up the entire church, so it is the preferred
>>> gift in the church service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul stated that he spoke in tongues more than all of the church
>>> at
>>> Corinth, so he obviously engaged in a great deal of tongues-speaking
>>> in his private devotions because he said that "in the church" it is
>>> better to use words with which to teach others (1 Cor. 14:18-19).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That reiterates the simple truth that speaking in tongues IS NOT A
>>> PREACHING OR TEACHING GIFT. It is a provision for the Spirit-filled
>>> believer to build himself up in the Lord spiritually, what the Bible
>>> terms "edification."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1 Cor. 14:2 states that the one who is speaking in tongues IS NOT
>>> SPEAKING UNTO MEN, BUT UNTO GOD, and that NO MAN understands HIM.
>>> "Speaking unto God" is what most people term "PRAYER." Therefore,
>>> speaking in tongues is a supernatural means of praying. This fits 1
>>> Cor. 14:14-15 where Paul wrote that when he prayed with tongues his
>>> spirit was praying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When the spiritual gifts of "divers kinds of tongues" and
>>> "interpretation of tongues" are in operation, it is at the prompting
>>> of the Holy Spirit, not "circumstances."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to 1 Cor 14:3-5, prophecy (as well as "divers kinds of
>>> tongues" with the companion gift of "interpretation of tongues")
>>> serves to edify (spiritually build up), comfort, and exhort
>>> (encourage) the saints.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have witnessed only one negative incident. In an AOG church my
>>> wife and I attended a few times about 30 years ago, a woman would
>>> stand and speak in tongues and disturb the service. The pastor
>>> tried to correct her and instruct her that it was not an appropriate
>>> time. She refused correction and the deacons ushered her out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When these gifts are in operation according to the instructions
>>> given in 1 Cor 12-14, they are a great blessing. They bring sweet
>>> refreshing and encouragement unto people. But they can also be
>>> abused and misused.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking in tongues has been a tremendous blessing in my own life.
>>> It has enriched my life greatly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the
>>> Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting
>>> signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: J & M
>>>
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:46 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>> Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How often and in what way does tongues speaking occur in your
>>> services?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which services does it usually happen in and what are the
>>> circumstances which trigger it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How has it been a value?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Others please answer as well. As a non-tongues speaker with
>>> very
>>> limited experience observing it in a service (and the experiences
>>> were negative) , I'd like to hear your experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jimbo
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Jerry
>>>
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:26 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs
>>> and
>>> Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DW,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scripture is fact, absolute fact.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But there is no Scripture that states signs and wonders
>>> stopped
>>> when the last apostle died. That is vain imagination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the preacher who declared that it was absolute fact that
>>> signs and wonders ceased when the last apostle died lied.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in
>>> the
>>> Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting
>>> signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: David Warner
>>>
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:41 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs
>>> and Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He is correct from your perspective. That doesn't make it
>>> truth, even if validated by your "amen".
>>>
>>> I'd say Scripture is pretty "absolute fact" regardless of
>>> whether everyone sees the fact or not, wouldn't you?
>>>
>>> PDW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: Jerry [mailto:jlew@...]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:22 PM
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs
>>> and Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are 100% correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Amazing, though, some IFB claim that this is an "absolute
>>> fact."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in
>>> the Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace,
>>> granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts
>>> 14:3).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Bill burns
>>>
>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:30 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re:
>>> Signs
>>> and Gifts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who don't believe in the signs and gifts need to
>>> show
>>> Biblically when they ceased. There is no where in the Bible
>>> that states the signs and gifts stopped with the Apostles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Jeff Hallmark <bctexan@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> In studying Hebrews 2:1-4 I read this from W. Wiersbe,
>>> Be
>>> Confident his study of Hebrews.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wiersbe writes -
>>>
>>> I have often told the story about the pastor who
>>> preached
>>> a series of sermons on "the sins of the saints." He was
>>> severely reprimanded by one of the members of the church.
>>> "After all," said the member, "sin in the life of a
>>> Christian is different from sin in the lives of other
>>> people."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Yes," replied the pastor "it's worse!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have the idea that believers today "under grace" can
>>> escape the chastening hand of God that was so evident
>>> "under Law." But to whom much is given, much shall be
>>> required. Not only have we received the Word from the Son
>>> of God, but that Word has been confirmed by apostolic
>>> miracles (2:4). The phrase "signs and wonders" is found 11
>>> times in the NT. Here it refers to the miracles that
>>> witnessed to the Word and gave confirmation that it was
>>> true. These miracles were performed by the apostles. (see
>>> Mark 16:17-20; Acts 2:43). Today we have the completed
>>> Word of God; so there is no need for these apostolic
>>> miracles. God now bears witness through His Spirit using
>>> the Word (Rom. 8:16; 1 John 5:1-13). The Spirit also gifts
>>> to God's people so that they may minister in the church
>>> (Eph. 4:11; 1 Cor. 12)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bro. Jeff Hallmark
>>> www.sprucelandbaptist.com
>>> http://baptist-potluck.blogspot.com/
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