David,
Yes, David, I can answer that. The person thought because I was a part of
the CofC that I preached work salvation. "If they did?" Yep, they did.
jerry k
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Warner" <dwarner@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
> The question wasn't why would someone say that, but why would the think
> that.
> Can you give answer for why someone who think that about you--if they did?
>
> PDW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Krewson [mailto:pastorjerry@...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:43 AM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>
> Gee, pastor h,
> I remember someone telling me that a couple years ago. Maybe you remember?
> jerry k
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pastor Hughes" <embc@...>
> To: <pastorsforum@...>
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>
>
>> why would anyone think you were going to hell?
>>
>> can you tell me ???
>>
>> thanks
>> pastor h.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <shieldwolf@...>
>> To: <pastorsforum@...>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>>
>>
>>> Don't worry, Jerry. I'm sure they think I'm going to Hell. I think
>>> that
>>> goes back to the whole "stigma" discussion which seems to support the
>>> whole "legalism" discussion that was had.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>>> PDW,
>>>> If you wish to characterize me as that, I can handle that. I have been
>>>> accused of worse.
>>>> MAKE IT a great weekend.
>>>> jerry k
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: David Warner
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:39 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well you are just full of profanity today, aren't you!
>>>>
>>>> A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good
>>>> things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil
>>>> things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak,
>>>> they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy
>>>> words
>>>> thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
>>>>
>>>> (Matthew 12:35-37)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>>>>
>>>> From: Jerry Krewson [mailto:pastorjerry@...]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:05 PM
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heck if I know!
>>>>
>>>> jerry k
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: David Warner
>>>>
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:27 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>>> Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't "Darn" an euphemism for "Damn"? I've always thought it was?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> From: Jerry Krewson [mailto:pastorjerry@...]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:20 PM
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>>> Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When a believer is filled with the Holy Spirit, he can speak in
>>>> tongues anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Darn, all this time I thought I was filled with the Holy Spirit?
>>>>
>>>> jerry k
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Jerry
>>>>
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:13 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>>> Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jimbo,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The church that I currently pastor would not be termed a
>>>> "Charismatic church." We have not had anyone speak in tongues
>>>> publicly in any services in the short time I have been here, that I
>>>> am aware of.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, we do often have special prayer with laying on of hands
>>>> for
>>>> the sick at their request according to James 5:14-16.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been in many services in the past where all spiritual
>>>> gifts
>>>> were in operation. There are no "circumstances" that trigger
>>>> tongues-speaking in a service.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When a believer is filled with the Holy Spirit, he can speak in
>>>> tongues anywhere. Paul's instruction in the letter to the
>>>> Corinthians is to not practice it in the church service UNLESS there
>>>> is the interpretation to accompany it, the reason being, speaking in
>>>> tongues edifies and spiritually builds up the one doing the speaking
>>>> and not the entire church (1 Cor. 14:2-6, 18-19). Prophecy edifies
>>>> and spiritually builds up the entire church, so it is the preferred
>>>> gift in the church service.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul stated that he spoke in tongues more than all of the church
>>>> at
>>>> Corinth, so he obviously engaged in a great deal of tongues-speaking
>>>> in his private devotions because he said that "in the church" it is
>>>> better to use words with which to teach others (1 Cor. 14:18-19).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That reiterates the simple truth that speaking in tongues IS NOT
>>>> A
>>>> PREACHING OR TEACHING GIFT. It is a provision for the Spirit-filled
>>>> believer to build himself up in the Lord spiritually, what the Bible
>>>> terms "edification."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1 Cor. 14:2 states that the one who is speaking in tongues IS NOT
>>>> SPEAKING UNTO MEN, BUT UNTO GOD, and that NO MAN understands HIM.
>>>> "Speaking unto God" is what most people term "PRAYER." Therefore,
>>>> speaking in tongues is a supernatural means of praying. This fits 1
>>>> Cor. 14:14-15 where Paul wrote that when he prayed with tongues his
>>>> spirit was praying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When the spiritual gifts of "divers kinds of tongues" and
>>>> "interpretation of tongues" are in operation, it is at the prompting
>>>> of the Holy Spirit, not "circumstances."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to 1 Cor 14:3-5, prophecy (as well as "divers kinds of
>>>> tongues" with the companion gift of "interpretation of tongues")
>>>> serves to edify (spiritually build up), comfort, and exhort
>>>> (encourage) the saints.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have witnessed only one negative incident. In an AOG church my
>>>> wife and I attended a few times about 30 years ago, a woman would
>>>> stand and speak in tongues and disturb the service. The pastor
>>>> tried to correct her and instruct her that it was not an appropriate
>>>> time. She refused correction and the deacons ushered her out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When these gifts are in operation according to the instructions
>>>> given in 1 Cor 12-14, they are a great blessing. They bring sweet
>>>> refreshing and encouragement unto people. But they can also be
>>>> abused and misused.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Speaking in tongues has been a tremendous blessing in my own
>>>> life.
>>>> It has enriched my life greatly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the
>>>> Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting
>>>> signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: J & M
>>>>
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:46 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs and
>>>> Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jerry,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How often and in what way does tongues speaking occur in your
>>>> services?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which services does it usually happen in and what are the
>>>> circumstances which trigger it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How has it been a value?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Others please answer as well. As a non-tongues speaker with
>>>> very
>>>> limited experience observing it in a service (and the experiences
>>>> were negative) , I'd like to hear your experience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jimbo
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Jerry
>>>>
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:26 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs
>>>> and
>>>> Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DW,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scripture is fact, absolute fact.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But there is no Scripture that states signs and wonders
>>>> stopped
>>>> when the last apostle died. That is vain imagination.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And the preacher who declared that it was absolute fact that
>>>> signs and wonders ceased when the last apostle died lied.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in
>>>> the
>>>> Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting
>>>> signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: David Warner
>>>>
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:41 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs
>>>> and Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He is correct from your perspective. That doesn't make it
>>>> truth, even if validated by your "amen".
>>>>
>>>> I'd say Scripture is pretty "absolute fact" regardless of
>>>> whether everyone sees the fact or not, wouldn't you?
>>>>
>>>> PDW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> From: Jerry [mailto:jlew@...]
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:22 PM
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re: Signs
>>>> and Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are 100% correct.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amazing, though, some IFB claim that this is an "absolute
>>>> fact."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly
>>>> in
>>>> the Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace,
>>>> granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts
>>>> 14:3).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Bill burns
>>>>
>>>> To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:30 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [DoctrinalDebate] Re:
>>>> Signs
>>>> and Gifts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those who don't believe in the signs and gifts need to
>>>> show
>>>> Biblically when they ceased. There is no where in the Bible
>>>> that states the signs and gifts stopped with the Apostles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Hallmark <bctexan@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In studying Hebrews 2:1-4 I read this from W. Wiersbe,
>>>> Be
>>>> Confident his study of Hebrews.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wiersbe writes -
>>>>
>>>> I have often told the story about the pastor who
>>>> preached
>>>> a series of sermons on "the sins of the saints." He was
>>>> severely reprimanded by one of the members of the church.
>>>> "After all," said the member, "sin in the life of a
>>>> Christian is different from sin in the lives of other
>>>> people."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Yes," replied the pastor "it's worse!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have the idea that believers today "under grace" can
>>>> escape the chastening hand of God that was so evident
>>>> "under Law." But to whom much is given, much shall be
>>>> required. Not only have we received the Word from the Son
>>>> of God, but that Word has been confirmed by apostolic
>>>> miracles (2:4). The phrase "signs and wonders" is found 11
>>>> times in the NT. Here it refers to the miracles that
>>>> witnessed to the Word and gave confirmation that it was
>>>> true. These miracles were performed by the apostles. (see
>>>> Mark 16:17-20; Acts 2:43). Today we have the completed
>>>> Word of God; so there is no need for these apostolic
>>>> miracles. God now bears witness through His Spirit using
>>>> the Word (Rom. 8:16; 1 John 5:1-13). The Spirit also gifts
>>>> to God's people so that they may minister in the church
>>>> (Eph. 4:11; 1 Cor. 12)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bro. Jeff Hallmark
>>>> www.sprucelandbaptist.com
>>>> http://baptist-potluck.blogspot.com/
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Saginaw, Michigan 48602
>>>>
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>>>>
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