I believe the "Free Will Baptist" denomination is Arminian, but I could be wrong Randy Jerry wrote: > Steve, > I know some Pentecostals and Methodists who may have been influenced > by Arminianism, but I know of none who claim to believe in it. Most > could not tell you anything about it. I know no Baptists who believe > in the Arminian view. > I am sorry to say that I did recently discover that a pastor friend > (Baptist) in the association the previous church I pastored was in has > embraced Calvinism. I have known him for about 15 years. We recently > preached a funeral service together, and in conversation before the > service, he let out that he was now a 5 pointer. > From my studies of this philosophy of religion (Arminianism), I do not > accept it as true, though there is some truth to parts of it, ... and > I say the same about Calvinism or reformed theology. > It is offensive to me that so many Calvinists claim that if one is not > a believer in Calvinism, he has to be Arminian in his theology, or > else he is an universalist. All three are full of error. > I do not fit into any of these boxes. > Jerry > “They brought to him many who were possessed with demons; and he cast > out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick. This was to > fulfil what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, ‘He took our infirmities > and bore our diseases.’ "(Matt 8:16-17). > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Steven G. Rockhill <mailto:revrock@...> > *To:* pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:13 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] e: [PastorsForum] Southern Seminary > Continues To Use BAD T... > > > > Jerry wrote: >> Gary, >> >> The problem with your statement above is that you and other >> Calvinists make it a dichotomous position of Calvinism vs. >> Arminianism. Calvinists do seem to all believe that regeneration >> precedes faith, but everyone else sees the Bible as teaching >> faith before regeneration, whether Arminian or not. I do not know >> anyone who claims to be Arminian in their theology. > > Jerry, you know many who are Arminian in their theology (at least > those who are semi-Arminian) but you and they just choose not to > go by that name. The only point of Arminianism that you and most > other reject (except for Charlie and Jerry K) is that you can lose > your salvation. On all other points - you fit the bill. > > Steve > >> I, personally, see some truth and much error in both Calvinism >> and Arminianism. I oppose both as erroneous philosophies of religion. >> I believe that every lost person can respond in faith when he >> hears the gospel because the hearing of the gospel produces faith. >> >>>>If God saved people by His sovereignty, He would say them >> under any conditions or lack of conditions that He pleased. >> But God CANNOT save people by His sovereignty because He is bound >> by His Word. He cannot go against His word and save a person who >> does not first express faith in Christ. >> He CANNOT alter or change His Word. He CANNOT save anyone under >> "any conditions or lack of conditions" because He has already >> specified the conditions of salvation as personal faith and trust >> in His Son, Jesus Christ. >> Jerry >> >> “They brought to him many who were possessed with demons; and he >> cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick. >> This was to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, ‘He >> took our infirmities and bore our diseases.’ "(Matt 8:16-17). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Gary Webb <mailto:mgwebb@...> >> *To:* pastorsforum@... >> <mailto:pastorsforum@...> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:45 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] e: [PastorsForum] Southern >> Seminary Continues To Use BAD T... >> >> If God saved people by His sovereignty, He would say them >> under any conditions or lack of conditions that He pleased. >> Repentance and faith accompany the new birth. Hebrews even >> says that faith is the evidence of things not seen, things >> like the wind of John 3. Calvinist or not, the person who >> goes to heaven is a person who has believed in Christ. I >> don't think that is even in question for either side. >> The essential dividing or defining question concerns the >> ability of an unregenerate man to respond in repentance and >> faith toward God apart from a special and personal work of >> God's Spirit in his heart. The Calvinist would believe that >> the special work of God includes regeneration itself with >> repentance and faith resulting from it. The Arminian would >> believe that repentance and faith must be wrought in the >> man's heart causing the new birth. Isn't that the heart of >> this portion of the Calvinist/Arminian controversy? >> GARY WEBB >> >> *From:* Jerry <mailto:jlew@...> >> *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2008 11:19 PM >> *To:* pastorsforum@... >> <mailto:pastorsforum@...> >> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] e: [PastorsForum] Southern >> Seminary Continues To Use BAD T... >> >> Steve, >> if God saved people by His sovereignty, He would not require >> them to believe. >> Repentance and faith toward God are prerequisites to salvation. >> >> Jerry >> >> “They brought to him many who were possessed with demons; and >> he cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were >> sick. This was to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet >> Isaiah, ‘He took our infirmities and bore our diseases.’ >> "(Matt 8:16-17). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Dpowellaz2@... <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...> >> *To:* pastorsforum@... >> <mailto:pastorsforum@...> >> *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2008 9:18 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] e: [PastorsForum] Southern >> Seminary Continues To Use BAD T... >> >> In a message dated 6/6/2008 5:25:27 P.M. US Mountain >> Standard Time, revrock@... >> <mailto:revrock@...> writes: >> >> Jerry, >> What kind of nonsense is this: >>> God has chosen to save people by the foolishness of >>> preaching, not by His "sovereignty." >> Helloooooooooo - If God were not sovereign He >> couldn't choose to save anyone using any message. >> Again, like Doc you are bringing up dead horses just >> to pick fights. >> >> Peace, >> Steve >> >> Again, you say things like this and then you wonder why I >> call you on some of your positions! Calvinism, inr my >> opinion, IS a dead horse! >> Doc >> */Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua!/* >> (*Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!*) >> Pastor Dr. David Powell >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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