Brothers how many believe that when a person comes forward to give their
lives to God, how many believe in them saying the sinners prayer.To accept
Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.I for one am in favor of the sinners prayer.
Please let me know.

Pastor Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
To: "Pastor Joseph Lennox" <pastorjosephlennox@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] out of church


> joe -
>
> i see the "one wife" issue as just that :)  in a
> culture where men had more then one wife - to be told
> to only have one is cool :)
>
> the death bed question is interesting to me because i
> do not even believe in the sinners prayer :)  it is
> something that came to light in the 50's and does not
> have a bibical base - because we are told to confess
> our sins, not that we are a sinner :)  God knows we
> are sinners, he wants us to work through our sins and
> see how life changes :) so if a person is on their
> death bed, confesses a belief in jesus christ - then,
> up they are saved - no matter who they are, or what
> they did - that's the wonder of the gift of salvation
> :)
>
> pax
> jok
>
>
> --- Pastor Joseph Lennox
> <pastorjosephlennox@...> wrote:
> > I agree with a lot of your doctrine, on the "one
> > wife" thing how do you
> > believe.Amen on Baptism, I believe also that with
> > Baptism,that Jesus said to
> > us about the thief on the Cross, that if a person is
> > on their death bed and
> > say the sinners pray and dies after that they are
> > automatically in heaven.
> >
> > Pastor Joe
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
> > To: "Pastor Joseph Lennox"
> > <pastorjosephlennox@...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] out of church
> >
> >
> > > joe,
> > >
> > > it's simple - i have decided to answer on forum,
> > > because you asked on forum :)
> > >
> > > i have no doctrine against drinking or smoking -
> > they
> > > are social issues and not scriptural ones :) and i
> > > have no endtime theology (including "rapture") -
> > > because no one knows when and when it does happen
> > it's
> > > all in God's hands :) besides, it has nothing to
> > do
> > > with my salvation.
> > >
> > > baptism is a sign and is not required for
> > salvation -
> > > and because it is not required, when it is done is
> > of
> > > no mind to me.  if it was required, then jesus
> > broke
> > > the rules with the theif on the cross :)
> > >
> > > divorce is allowed under scriptural reasons and
> > > remarriage is acceptable - even for pastors - and
> > even
> > > for active pastors (i read the "one wife"
> > scripture
> > > different them others on this forum)
> > >
> > > the kjv is a version - (not the best - it has a
> > great
> > > many mistakes) - i use the message and never use
> > the
> > > kjv at all :)
> > >
> > > tithing is not required - we live in grace and not
> > > law.
> > >
> > > once saved always saved - can't lose it no matter
> > what
> > > :)
> > >
> > > sin is who we are, not what we do - if it is what
> > we
> > > do, all we need do is stop doing it and we stop
> > > sinning - then jesus died for no reason.
> > >
> > > pax
> > > jok
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Pastor Joseph Lennox
> > > <pastorjosephlennox@...> wrote:
> > > > John what is your doctrine on drinking ,
> > > > smoking,divorce remarriage,dating
> > > > tithing, use of the KJV, sin,  eternal
> > security,end
> > > > times,rapture,
> > > > baptism,and all other areas. What church do you
> > > > Pastor?. Please send them
> > > > too me if you will. Please send them to  me
> > > > personally instead of through
> > > > Pastors Forum , my e-mail address is
> > > > pastorjosephlennox@...
> > > >
> > > > Pastor Joe
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
> > > > To: <pastorsforum@...>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:41 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] out of church
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > john,
> > > > >
> > > > > you wrote:  "If a person claims to be a
> > Christian
> > > > and
> > > > > has no desire to be in the house of the Lord,
> > > > there is
> > > > > a problem."
> > > > >
> > > > > RE:  i agree with you - there is a big
> > problem,
> > > > but
> > > > > why does it have to be with the person?  why
> > can't
> > > > it
> > > > > be with the church?
> > > > >
> > > > > the idea that people who claim to be christian
> > and
> > > > > never go to church are wrong - is wrong -
> > because
> > > > they
> > > > > may not go to church because they find that
> > the
> > > > people
> > > > > in the church are even worse then those
> > outside
> > > > the
> > > > > church :)  i have had many a conversation with
> > > > people
> > > > > not in the church, and i would say i
> > understand
> > > > their
> > > > > point of view - remember why i was asked to
> > join
> > > > this
> > > > > forum :)
> > > > >
> > > > > i think we need to be honest in our
> > conversations
> > > > > here; what we mean is that "if they do not
> > attend
> > > > MY
> > > > > church" - the church "I" pastor, right?  if a
> > > > person
> > > > > leaves your church and attends the one i
> > pastor
> > > > whould
> > > > > you have a problem with that?  knowing that i
> > do
> > > > not
> > > > > teach the same things you teach (on drinking,
> > > > smoking,
> > > > > divorce, remarriage, dating, tithing, use of
> > the
> > > > > "kjv," and other areas), my church structure
> > is
> > > > > different, my doctrines are different, my
> > ideas of
> > > > > "sin" are different, and all the other
> > differences
> > > > -
> > > > > would it be all right with you that they
> > attend my
> > > > > church?  i belive i am 100% right, supported
> > in
> > > > > scripture and firm on the teachings - even
> > though
> > > > they
> > > > > differ greatly from yours - would it be ok for
> > > > that
> > > > > person to attend the church i serve?
> > > > >
> > > > > pax
> > > > > jok
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- CJohnThomas@... wrote:
> > > > > > Mickey
> > > > > >     I understand your plight and sympathize
> > with
> > > > > > you. I think most of us have
> > > > > > had to deal with this at one time or
> > another. If
> > > > a
> > > > > > person claims to be a
> > > > > > Christian and has no desire to be in the
> > house
> > > > of
> > > > > > the Lord, there is a problem. I
> > > > > > would be very concerned about this person.
> > Is
> > > > their
> > > > > > heart right with God, or
> > > > > > were they just playing church? Have they
> > > > backslid or
> > > > > > were they ever saved in
> > > > > > the first place? (I won't get into the
> > falling
> > > > away.
> > > > > > That's been tried and
> > > > > > nothing was accomplished) The first thing I
> > > > would do
> > > > > > is talk with them and find out
> > > > > > what is going on. It may be that they have a
> > > > reason
> > > > > > (at least in their mind)
> > > > > > for not being there. I would consider
> > purging
> > > > the
> > > > > > list to be drastic measures.
> > > > > > I say this because I have known people who
> > got
> > > > out
> > > > > > of church for a while, but
> > > > > > are back and have become real assets to the
> > > > church.
> > > > > >     Find out if something has offended them.
> > If
> > > > so
> > > > > > maybe you can help resolve
> > > > > > it. Also, have someone else from the church
> > talk
> > > > to
> > > > > > them when you are not
> > > > > > present. None of us want to admit it, but
> > there
> > > > is
> > > > > > always the chance that
> > > > > > something we have said or done is the
> > problem.
> > > > If it
> > > > > > turns out that nothing within
> > > > > > the church is the problem, The person may
> > just
> > > > be
> > > > > > weak in his or her faith. If
> > > > > > that is the case they need to be lifted up
> > in
> > > > > > prayer.
> > > > > >     Here is acouple of verses that come to
> > my
> > > > mind.
> > > > > > Maybe they will help you
> > > > > > decide how to handle this.
> > > > > > Galatians 6:1
> > > > > > 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a
> > fault,
> > > > ye
> > > > > > which are spiritual,
> > > > > > restore such an one in the spirit of
> > meekness;
> > > > > > considering thyself, lest thou also
> > > > > > be tempted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James 5:19-20
> > > > > > 19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the
> > > > truth,
> > > > > > and one convert him;
> > > > > > 20 Let him know, that he which converteth
> > the
> > > > sinner
> > > > > > from the error of his
> > > > > > way shall save a soul from death, and shall
> > hide
> > > > a
> > > > > > multitude of sins.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     I hope this is helpful. I will be
> > praying
> > > > that
> > > > > > things work out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your Brother In Christ
> > > > > > John T. Chambers
> > > > > >
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