"Shut up, sit down, and color"??
Now there's a man who's had some time 
teaching preschool VBS.
:)

Jimbo
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Cur Alli, Alli nun?  Why some and not 
others?
Answer: We don't know.  It's a mystery. 
Churches that were formed during
the Age of Reason *HATE* mystery.  Oh 
well.  Tough.  Doesn't change the
fact it's a mystery and beyond the minds 
of simple humans.  Check out the
end of Job when God answers and says 
(basically): "Shut up, sit down and
color.  You Ain't God."

Blessings to both sides from the crazy 
Lutheran in the middle,
Randy

>
> Steve, without getting back into our 
> argument of before, I  still fail to
> see
> why Calvinists claim that God choose 
> the elect but did not  choose those
> who
> are going to hell.  How can you have 
> one without the  other?  By the shear
> nature of the question, if God chooses 
> those who will  go to heaven then
> He did
> not choose the rest.  The only 
> explanation is that  those who are
> non-elect He
> choice to go to hell no matter what!
> Doc
>
> In a message dated 7/8/2008 9:20:17 
> A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> revrock@... writes:
>
> There are a couple of things here - 
> first  no one is saved kicking and
> screaming against their will as some 
> try to paint  those who believe in
> the
> Doctrines of Grace.  The Holy Spirit 
> brings to  life dead men so that they
> might
> believe in Christ.  Once alive they 
> willingly seek to serve and glorify
> Christ.
>
> Second, I wonder if the  person who 
> wrote this booklet would find it
> offensive that God chose His elect 
> before the foundation of the World.
> Would they be
> offended that God  chose people 
> against their will?  So you see it 
> comes
> don't to the same  thing - those who 
> attack the doctrines of Grace are
> offended
> that God sees Man  as a wicked 
> helpless sinner who is unable to pull
> himself up
> by his own  bootstraps and save 
> himself.  It is called Amazing Grace 
> for a
> reason!
>
> Peace,
> Steve
>
> Jerry Lewis wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I am reviewing a booklet that deals 
> with Calvinism as "another gospel."
>
> I found this statement in the 
> introduction:
>
> "What a strange doctrine it is that 
> wicked ungodly sinful people are
> saved
> without their consent as Calvinism 
> teaches."
>
> Is this part of Calvinistic belief, 
> that the elect are saved without
> their
> consent???
>
> My thinking is that the answer would 
> be no, ... that the Calvinist would
> say
> that God gives the wicked ungodly 
> sinful person faith to consent and
> believe.
>
> So, ... how would you Calvinists 
> respond?
>
> Jerry
> "But he turned, and rebuked them, and 
> said, Ye know  not what manner of
> spirit ye are of. For the Son of man 
> is not come to  destroy men's lives,
> but
> to save them. . (Luke  9:55-56).
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