Bill,
One of the problems I see with your conclusion is that nothing was exposed
"under Warren's method." Could you give me one example that Obama exposed
himself to that we did not already know?
We will just have to disagree on this and move on.
jerry k
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill burns" <burnswh@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Warren
Jerry K.
The questions were excellent. And, Warren leaves it up to people to have
discernment. I just don't see a problem with asking and getting an answer.
I would hope people would see a clear difference between McCain and Obama.
I'd rather see Obama exposed under the Warren method than soft peddled by
the liberal media.
Bill Burns
Old Town Soup Kitchen
600 Gratiot St.
Saginaw, Michigan 48602 989.791.4549 or cell 989.220.6228
--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Jerry Krewson <pastorjerry@...> wrote:
> From: Jerry Krewson <pastorjerry@...>
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Warren
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:49 PM
> Bill,
> Apparently you did not read my post well. If you did, you
> won't have to ask, "So, what's your
> problem?"
>
> And if you defense of Warren is "So that, the American
> people could hear their response," that my friend is a
> weak defense at best. Most people who tuned in already knew
> the beliefs of Obama and McCain. Most people who did not
> have a clue to what they believe don't tune in and watch
> 2 hours of politics.
>
> For a Christian pastor to go nation wide and give evil a
> chance to soft-pedal sin in a pretty package is complicit
> with evil.
> jerry k
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill burns
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Warren
>
>
> Jerry K.
>
> The format was questions and answers so each
> candidate could express his view. So that, the American
> people could hear their response.
>
> So, what's your problem?
>
>
> Bill Burns
> Old Town Soup Kitchen
> 600 Gratiot St.
> Saginaw, Michigan 48602
> 989.791.4549 or cell 989.220.6228
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Steven G. Rockhill
> <revrock@...> wrote:
>
> From: Steven G. Rockhill
> <revrock@...>
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Warren
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 7:48 AM
>
>
> Jerry,
> I think politics is free game. You were not
> attacking someone's ministry, just their politics.
>
> Peace,
> Steve
>
> Jerry Krewson wrote:
> So America's pastor wants to bring civility
> to politics. Oh, he did that. He allowed a man running for
> President to get away with [for the cause of civility, of
> course] "that's above my pay grade."
>
> Warren has lent more credibility to Obama with
> his air of neutrality, and made Obama a more welcoming
> figure to the totally confused. Brother Warren has giving
> even more legitimacy to a man who diametrically opposed to
> some basic morals and ethical principles of the Bible.
> Warren gave Obama a Christian forum in which he could shin,
> lie, and deceive, and not take Obama to task for any of his
> stances. If you want to say it wasn't Christian and it
> wasn't Saddleback Church, then you have not read the
> papers or paid attention to the TV talking heads.
>
> Oh what a uniter Mr. Warren is. What a paragon
> of neutrality [luke warm I'd say]. Warren allowed
> Obama's moral ambiguity [and that is kind] to go
> unchallenged on the National stage.
>
>
> Well, Warren may be Americas pastor, and that I
> can believe, cause most of America is afraid to stand for
> biblical, moral, principles for fear of being branded. And
> in my humble, but opinionated opinion, Mr. Neutrality fit
> right in.
>
> Preacher Warren, you ain't no Peter or
> Paul. They have the scars and bruises to prove where they
> stood.
>
> I don't recall Elijah standing around with
> the phonies smiling and back slapping them as good old boys.
>
>
> Finally, Warren said: “We’ve got to learn
> to disagree without demonizing each other and we need to
> restore civility in our civil discourse and that’s the
> goal of the Saddleback Civil Forum.” Sorry Dr. Warren.
> Some things are by there very nature "demonizing."
> And you tell us we need to be civil about the demonizing
> issues. Poppy-cock! The Germans were to civil with Hitler,
> and when they realized their mistake, it was to late.
>
> Obama stands for 2 very huge sin issues as
> rights of freedom. His stance on abortion and gay marriage
> [remember, he has flip-flopped for political expedience]
> are EVIL, and for Warren to let them slide for to bring
> civility back is to take a stand with evil.
>
> Now Jerry, you can kick me off for attacking
> Warren. That is your privilege. But Warren brought this all
> onto the National stage, not me. Warren has moved from
> religion to politics, not me. When FOX and MSNBC are invited
> to broadcast nationally the 'Saddleback Forum,' it
> is a big deal. And when America's pastor opens his
> church and invites the world in, he invites attacks as well.
> Yep, I attack. I attack what I think is absolutely a selling
> of biblical principles right down the river.
>
> If Jerry kicks me off for attacking Warren, so
> be it. But I will not be a Rick Warren and ignore truth for
> the sake of civility and the appearance of neutrality. The
> apostles didn't get beaten and eventually killed because
> they were civil and neutral. Being kicked off a forum, well
> that ain't nothing.
>
> If this is my last post, well, it has been nice
> knowing you guys/Joyce.
> I'll be seeing some of you in heaven.
> jerry k
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