Brother Ed:
Are the things of Our Lord and Saviour childish, silly, and without any
basis, certainly not, God gives us the ability to those who are sincere to
his word, and to those who are hungry formore of him. Brother Ed I HAVE A
FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 1. Was Our Lord's Crucifixion silly? 2. Did He Heal
without any basis? 3. Was his teaching and praying childish? In my opinion
the answer to all three is ABOUSTLEY NOT, God did ever thing that he said he
was going to do.

Pastor Joseph Lennox
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edwin Hill" <ehillnewlife@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Interesting Perspective on Obama from a Black
Woman Preacher


> This is childish,silly,and without any basis. Hereafter if any of you are
not forwarding something that pertains to my Lord ans Savior Jesus
Christ-either sermon,bulletin,outline scriptural exposition,etc. please KEEP
IT TO YOURSELF. I have no time for immature rantings! Remove me from your
mailing list if you like it will prababily be a blessing.
>
> Ed Hill,Sr
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Jerry Krewson <pastorjerry@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Jerry Krewson <pastorjerry@...>
> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Interesting Perspective on Obama from a
Black Woman Preacher
> > To: pastorsforum@...
> > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:58 AM
> > Steve wrote:  "I hope those on this forum who want to
> > sacrifice biblical values for a mark in history...."
> > Judas got a "mark in history" too.
> >
> > Ms. Daniels for President. If Ed is voting for Obama, then
> > I must assume he would NOT vote for Ms. Daniels because,
> > surely, Ed is a principled man. And being a man of
> > principles, Ed's beliefs in what Obama stands for would
> > be counter to what Ms. Daniels stands for. So sorry darling,
> > Ed can't vote for Daniels.  And that's the way it is
> > on this Wednsday night, in the land of the free.
> >
> > I think I'll vote for Baldwin. Heck, here in Oregon it
> > isn't going to matter. Most all the white guys are
> > racist--they won't vote for a white guy {McCain}.
> > jerry k
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Steven G. Rockhill
> >   To: pastorsforum@...
> >   Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:31 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Interesting Perspective on
> > Obama from a Black Woman Preacher
> >
> >
> >   Wow - she really nails it.  I hope those on this forum
> > who want to sacrifice biblical values for a mark in history
> > read and are guided by it.  I could vote for someone like
> > Ms. Daniels.  Again I am really disappointed in some of my
> > brothers in Christ on this forum - I am not saying vote for
> > McCain - there are a few other options (e.g. Barr and
> > Baldwin) and of course you always have the choice not to
> > choose but casting a vote for Obama, as Ms. Daniels has so
> > astutely set forth, can in no way be squared with Scripture.
> >  I would also like to ask Ed and others voting for Obama two
> > questions:
> >   1) Do you think it is racist to not vote for Obama
> > because of the color of his skin?  Yes or no.
> >   2) Do you think it is racist to vote for Obama because of
> > the color of his skin?  Yes or no.
> >
> >   I tend to see them as one and the same.
> >
> >   Peace,
> >   Steve
> >
> >   Jerry Lewis wrote:
> >     Here are some excerpts of an article with an
> > interesting perspective from a black woman minister named
> > Kimberly Daniels on Mr Barack. It is long but worth the
> > read.  What are your thoughts???
> >
> >
> >
> >     Kimberly Daniels was the fastest female sprinter in
> > junior college in the nation and in the military around the
> > world. Later, she was spiraled into a lifestyle of
> > prostitution and drugs. Since the miraculous intervention of
> > Jesus in her life, she shares her testimony globally. She is
> > a graduate of Florida State University where she obtained a
> > Bachelor's Degree in Criminology.  Kim's educational
> > efforts have also resulted in a Master's Degree in
> > Christian Education and a Doctorate in Christian Counseling.
> >
> >     Kim's ministry endeavors have taken her to
> > countries such as Hong Kong, Malaysia, Croatia, Japan,
> > Germany, Canada, Trinidad, Barbados, Bahamas, South Africa,
> > England, Costa Rica and many more. She is the author of five
> > books; Against All Odds, From a Mess to a Miracle, Clean
> > House Strong House, Delivered to Destiny and Give It Back!
> > (Her recent release)
> >
> >     Clean House Strong House is noted as a Best Seller and
> > was nominated for the Christian Retailer's Choice Award
> > under the charismatic category.  Kim also writes columns for
> > Charisma Magazine, one of the largest Christian periodicals
> > in the world. Her column, Stomp on the Devil, deals with
> > controversial issues in the church.
> >
> >     Kim currently spearheads a coalition of over 8,000
> > intercessors called Commanders of the Morning. She and her
> > husband, Ardell, have six children. They travel
> > internationally with the commitment to bring apostolic truth
> > to the body of Christ.
> >
> >
> >
> >     A Response to the Critics
> >
> >     By Kimberly Daniels
> >
> >     Many people have blasted Charisma for asking questions
> > about Barack Obama. It is time to stop arguing and get on
> > God's side.
> >
> >     God was dealing with me about the upcoming election. My
> > spirit was grieved because people were calling the editor of
> > Charisma, Lee Grady, a racist. I wrote a column in
> > Charisma's November 2008 issue in which I criticized
> > Barack Obama. Am I a racist? If you know anything about me I
> > am black to the bone and cannot rightfully be called an
> > Uncle Tom. Lee and I stand for what we believe is righteous.
> > Do we have that right?
> >
> >     Are we standing with Hollywood? The homosexual
> > activists? The Democrats? The Republicans? The world?
> > Personally, I renounce all of them because I know that they
> > are a part of the broad and the wide that God speaks of. I
> > stand for what is right! What is right can be rooted only in
> > what is righteous!
> >
> >     I think we need to get some things straight. I am not
> > standing with white people or Charisma. I am standing for
> > what I have been standing for every since God delivered me
> > from the whorehouse. I have been preaching the same message
> > since the devils were cast out of me.
> >
> >     The problem is that a lot of preachers have changed
> > their messages for one reason only: They have switched
> > sides! You did not just change your mind; you switched
> > sides!
> >
> >     I have no choice but to address issues from the
> > position of a believer. That is who I am, and its dictates
> > how I stand and who I stand with. This is not based on
> > friendship, family or even preference. I simply do not have
> > a choice. You never pick sides on issues like this. Just
> > stick to God's Word and you will end up where you are
> > supposed to be. Remember, God does not take sides; He takes
> > over!
> >
> >     Consider the following:
> >
> >     1. Either it is OK for Barack Obama to blaspheme Romans
> > 1 and call it "insignificant," or I am on the
> > right side.
> >     2. Either Obama's voting against Amendment 2 (which
> > states only that marriage is between one woman and one man,
> > and does not stop gay couples from getting insurance rights
> > or visiting each other in hospitals) is OK, or I am on the
> > right side.
> >     3. Either delivering babies up to nine months in a
> > breach position up to where only the head is left in the
> > womb, stabbing them in the back of the neck and sucking
> > their brains out should be legal, or I am on the right side.
> >     4. Either laws that prevent me from preaching the truth
> > about homosexuality, require that I hire one gay person for
> > every so many employees, or force me as a minister to marry
> > same-sex couples or be sued should be passed, or I am on the
> > right side.
> >     5. Either secular humanism (which focuses on the rights
> > of men) should be a priority in America and put before the
> > laws of God, or I am on the right side.
> >     6. Either practicing homosexuals are going to heaven,
> > and there is no devil or hell, and Obama is a born-again
> > believer, or I am on the right side.
> >
> >     You may argue that we cannot say who is a Christian and
> > who is not, and you are right. But the Word of God says we
> > can judge the tree by the fruit that it bears, and we have
> > to know those who labor among us. I am not comparing Sen.
> > Obama to Sen. McCain; I am comparing him to the Word of God.
> > Everything I stand for as a believer, Obama is against!
> >
> >     If you disagree, keep on trucking. This is America, and
> > I have a right to share my view. There are too many people
> > who are confused or afraid to say how they feel, and I need
> > to let them know that they are not alone. All blacks are not
> > blinded by Obama.
> >
> >     Ease up on Lee Grady! Is he a racist because he is
> > saying what he believes? I encourage my other white brothers
> > and sisters to speak up and stand for what they believe. Do
> > not be intimidated by blacks who will accuse you of being a
> > racist because you have godly values!
> >
> >     Even if someone gave me a billion dollars, I could not
> > vote for Obama. (For the right price, would your vote swing
> > either way?) But if he wins, I will pray for him as the
> > Bible teaches me to do.
> >
> >     I am sick of hearing Christians crying about the
> > economy. Matthews 6 says this is what the heathens do. God
> > says we should not worry about what we will eat, drink or
> > wear. It is unscriptural for church folk to depend on any
> > man (or the economy) to meet their needs.
> >     No one wants to admit that the Democrats have been in
> > office a few years, and I haven't seen them change
> > anything but their minds. I do not have a Democratic or
> > Republican mind-set! I am a born-again believer, and I have
> > the mind of Christ.
> >
> >     God also said that we should seek first the kingdom of
> > God and His righteousness.
> >
> >
> >     Today we are standing on Mount Carmel. King Omri sold
> > out when he allowed his son Ahab to marry the witch,
> > Jezebel. The marriage sealed a deal he made with the pagans
> > of that day for economic prosperity. Great trade opened up
> > in the land. Everybody was happy except God!
> >
> >     The Baal worshippers set up their temples next to the
> > God of Israel. They did not want just a right to worship;
> > they wanted equal rights! I believe in equality for all men,
> > but men cross the line when they attempt to be equal to God.
> >
> >     It started in heaven, came through the garden and is
> > resting on America day. Men want to be "like God"!
> > This is what secular humanism is all about, putting the
> > rights of man over the Word of God. They did it at the tower
> > of Babel. Nimrod taught the people that they did not have to
> > fear God after the flood.
> >
> >     People have attempted to build a modern-day tower to
> > heaven in America, but just as it happened in the book of
> > Genesis, the Holy Trinity came down to earth to stop it. It
> > is not just because of the Bush administration that the
> > economy is where it is. God has come down to America, and
> > folks are too busy crying to even notice it.
> >
> >     There is no candidate that can get us out of this mess.
> > We may as well repent and vote morally right. If we do this
> > we can pray to the Lord of the Harvest and He will send His
> > abundance.
> >
> >     Let's stop killing innocent babies in America, and
> > the land will begin to yield her increase again. You may
> > say, what about the deaths in Iraq? There were deaths in the
> > wars God ordained in the Bible. I never read a Scripture
> > that God had a problem with them.
> >
> >     He did have a problem with people sacrificing their
> > babies to Chemosh and Molech. Innocent bloodshed is major on
> > God's agenda! And by the way, every soldier that went to
> > Iraq signed up. Nobody was drafted.
> >
> >     The babies that have been slaughtered never signed up
> > to be killed. They were drafted by laws that never
> > considered their rights. And most importantly, they never
> > got a chance to vote! If all the aborted babies killed in
> > the United States could come back to life, who would they
> > vote for?
> >
> >     America has been known to be one of the most moral
> > countries in the world. If we (both black people and white
> > people) do not turn from our wicked ways and repent, our
> > country will be just as perverted as some of the countries
> > overseas. America has never been perfect, but she has
> > previously been known to have values.
> >
> >     But we have allowed Hollywood, CNN, Fox, the NAACP and
> > other popular people, places and organizations to be our
> > prophets for many years. Now the voices of the real prophets
> > are mocked, just as in the time of Noah. The people mocked
> > Noah until he entered the ark.
> >
> >     Many say that the issue in this election is not race. I
> > beg to differ. I have talked to many blacks who disagree
> > with Obama on many things. They still look me in the eye and
> > say, "I am voting for him because I want to see a black
> > man as the president of the United States in my
> > lifetime."
> >
> >     Many had a shift in their mind-set when Colin Powell
> > endorsed Obama. I respect Colin Powell, but if he is on
> > Obama's side, he is not the one, either!
> >
> >     It may be true that you are voting for Obama for other
> > reasons, but the fact remains that many people support him
> > for one reason only-because he is black. I live where the
> > rubber meets the road. I do not have a megachurch, and I am
> > not promoting an agenda for you to send money to my ministry
> > or buy my books.
> >
> >     For those of you who think that all preachers have a
> > price, please do not send one dime or buy one book from my
> > ministry. Do not even log onto my Web site if what I am
> > saying offends you. This message is for those who have ears
> > to hear what I am saying and want to know the truth. I am
> > calling all of you who know you have committed spiritual
> > mutiny to get back on the wall!
> >
> >     Come and join me for a cause that's greater than
> > your individual calling! Let the world, heaven and hell know
> > that we are not moving from the foundation of our salvation.
> >
> >     We must be politically and morally correct as Psalms 11
> > requires believers to be. If this foundation is destroyed,
> > what can we, as the church, do? Justice has been falling in
> > the streets of America while we have been playing church.
> >
> >     We have gotten into such a backslidden state in America
> > that we need a law to define marriage as being between one
> > man and one woman. Laws have already been passed in some
> > states that make it illegal for anyone to refer to a couple
> > as "husband" and "wife." They must be
> > referred to as "partners."
> >
> >     The devil is a liar, and this will not happen in
> > Florida on my watch! I pray that you will be a gatekeeper
> > where you live, too.
> >
> >     Speaking of gatekeepers, for you preachers who are
> > submitting your anointing to denominations that want to
> > debate the issue of homosexuality, you will be judged first.
> > This matter cannot even have a hearing in the third heaven.
> > To debate this issue, you must hang out in second-heaven
> > activity. It is totally demonic.
> >
> >     I also suggest that you down-low brothers in the
> > pulpits and congregations back up and be quiet. You do not
> > qualify to speak. I love you, but do not call me or write a
> > letter unless you want the devil cast out of you! You stay
> > on your side and I will stay on mine.
> >
> >     I have the privilege of praying for the young boys in
> > the church whom you seduce, and my heart is broken over the
> > matter. There are certain things that are sins, and we all
> > have sinned in some way. But what you do is an abomination.
> >
> >     You have helped the homosexual agenda against the
> > church with your secret lifestyle. You have turned the
> > offerings of God into filthy lucre, and the stench is strong
> > in the nostrils of God.
> >
> >     God is especially dealing with the foul spirit in the
> > black church and the gospel music industry. There is safety,
> > especially for you now. For the spirits that have hidden you
> > and concealed your filth are about to turn on you and
> > uncover the mud. I speak this to you by the Spirit of the
> > Most High God, and not one word of what I have spoken will
> > fall to the ground.
> >
> >     In closing, let me say that I am not trying to be
> > political. This is a spiritual battle. I am not running for
> > office, and I receive no fringe benefits from anyone who is.
> > I simply stand firm for the Word of God.
> >
> >     As a result, I am required to be against some things. I
> > am not against homosexuals. I am against the homosexual
> > agenda and any person who attempts to stop me from getting
> > my gay brothers and sisters free.
> >
> >     I have employees who have come out of the lifestyle,
> > and gay people attend my church--but they are trying to get
> > delivered. We treat them with love but do not provide a
> > place for them to flaunt their lifestyle.
> >
> >     I am guilty of abortion and have repented. A prophet
> > told me recently that he dreamed he was in heaven. He said
> > he saw two baby boys waiting to meet me in heaven. His words
> > had to be from God because no one knew.
> >
> >     I had an abortion when I was 15, but the procedure was
> > incomplete. I remember being in the bathroom stall at my
> > school with baby parts coming out of me. I am not on a guilt
> > trip, but I have a healthy compassion to save the innocent
> > lives of the unborn. I VOTE FOR THEM!
> >
> >     The attached pictures may be hard to look at, but my
> > prayer is that when you see them, you will understand that
> > somebody has to stop the mutilation of innocent human
> > beings. Obama said that it is above his pay grade to
> > determine when a person receives human rights. I would be
> > afraid to have a leader over so many lives in this country
> > who does not understand life from beginning to end. You
> > cannot help me to get where I am going if you do not know
> > the essence of where I came from.
> >
> >     Let everything that has breath (and babies have breath
> > at conception) praise the Lord! We really cannot stop these
> > babies from praising the Lord. They will do it either here
> > or in heaven. The only difference is that if they do it
> > here, there will be no blood on our hands!
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