David, Just curious, but is it your view of inspiration that the human authors were simply passive participants or were the words they penned their own words as well? (I ask because you call them "human penmen.") On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:30 AM, David Warner <dwarner@...> wrote: > Jerry, let me help you out here. God wrote the Bible. It is HIS word. He > breathed it out. He is the Author. While human penmen were involved, it is > His Book. Who did you think wrote the Bible? > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Jerry [mailto:jlew@...] > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:29 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] God only wrote one book folks! > > > > DW, > > > > There is no record that God wrote any book. > > > > The Bible is called the Word of God because of its inspiration, not because > God took a pen and wrote words down. > > > > God did write the 10 Commandments in stone with His finger, but those > tablets were destroyed. > > > >>>>>Why do you claim to be a fundamentalists and then talk about "them" in >>>>> such a manner here? > > Excuse me, ... did I claim to be a fundamentalist???? I cannot find that > post. I did write, "Now, as far as "Fundamentalists" are concerned, I, too, > claim to be fundamentalist in my beliefs, holding to the faith that was once > delivered to the saints, but NOT "Independent Fundamentalist Baptist." And, > ... I did comment, "And they (fundamentalists) have the gall to call someone > like me a "Bible-hater." When "they" isolate themselves from God-loving and > Bible-believing Christians, .... well, ... perhaps you see that they > differentiate themselves from everybody who does not march lock step with > them. > > > > Jerry > > "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who > was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to > be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3). > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David Warner > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:08 AM > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] God only wrote one book folks! > > > > Besides the one Book i.e., the Bible, what other books do you claim He > wrote? And why do you think it is idiotic to claim he only wrote one Book. > Does your group have other books you hold sacred? Do they have greater or > equal authority to the Bible? Why do you claim to be a fundamentalists and > then talk about "them" in such a manner here? > > > > DW > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Jerry [mailto:jlew@...] > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:43 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] God only wrote one book folks! > > > > Jimbo, > > > > Almost everything we deal with on PF has been touched on or discussed in > depth at some time or another. > > > > I, too, am quite weary on some of the themes that are repeated. I wonder > if, since some seem to be burned out, it is time to bring this group to a > conclusion. There are only a few who participate, though several lurk. > > > > However, the things I question in this particular post are approached from a > different perspective. > > > > While I have certainly encountered King James Onlyism many times, I am not > used to seeing modern translations blamed for believing that God hates > sinners. Nor have I read such blatant hatred for translations of the Word of > God where the author wishes he could destroy every copy. And they > (fundamentalists) have the gall to call someone like me a "Bible-hater." > > > > If God only wrote one book, then where is it? What evidence is there to > substantiate such an idiotic claim? > > > > Jerry > > "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who > was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to > be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3). > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: J & M > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] God only wrote one book folks! > > > > Jerry, > > Check the archives and you'll have plenty of answers given to these same > questions several different times. > > > > I, for one, don't want to fight the same battle over and over. > > > > Jimbo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerry > > To: PASTORS FORUM > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:13 AM > > Subject: [PastorsForum] God only wrote one book folks! > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > I was perusing a KJVOnlyism web site this morning > (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_loves_sinners.htm) and found > these statements about modern translations in an article titled "God loves > sinners." While the author does make some good truthful comments about God's > love, he also makes some very disturbing statements as well. > > > > In commenting about those who say that God does NOT love sinners, he states, > "Only a very immature believer would claim that God doesn't love ALL > sinners." Then, "Corrupt Bibles Remove the "Love of God", and "It is NOT > surprising that professed Christians who use such flawed bible versions > would also believe that God hates sinners." > > > > The writer then addresses a particular verse and expresses his desire to > destroy the Bible in various translations ….. > > > > 1st John 3:16 in the King James Bible reads, "Hereby perceive we the love of > God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our > lives for the brethren." Now here's the perverted NIV... "This is how we > know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to > lay down our lives for our brothers." Notice that the NIV butchers > completely removed "the love of God" from 1st John 3:16. The New King James > Bible butchers the same Scripture. It is wicked!!! Do you see why so many > people are being deceived by Satan nowadays? It is obvious to the faithful > Christian who is awake to righteousness. If I had my way, I would burn > every New International Version of the Bible in existence! I would burn > every copy of Today's International Version as well. I would burn every > copy of the corrupted New King James Version. In fact, I would burn every > perverted Bible out there, including the Living Bible and Good News for > Modern Man. I would burn the Revised Standard Version. God only wrote one > book folks! Matthew 4:4 commands us to live by "every word" of the Bible. > To do that we must have an "every word" Bible. We have it in the 1611 King > James Bible which has been tested and proven trustworthy over the centuries. > > > > I stand amazed!!!! > > > > Having been called a "Bible-hater" by some KJV Only proponents, here is one > (a KJV Only proponent) who brags about how he would "burn" translations of > God's Holy Word, including the one that I got saved by, the Living Bible. I > love the Bible in EVERY translation (excepting the Joseph Smith and New > World translations, published by LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses) and cannot > imagine anyone hating God's Word and wanting to destroy it. Hundreds of > thousands of people have been led to Christ by Christians using modern > translations of the Bible. > > > > The writer says, "God only wrote one book folks!" and "Matthew 4:4 commands > us to live by "every word" of the Bible. To do that we must have an "every > word" Bible. We have it in the 1611 King James Bible which has been tested > and proven trustworthy over the centuries." > > > > Question 1) : Which book did God write, and in what translation did he > write it? > > > > Question 2) : Is it correct to claim the KJV an "every word Bible" when the > translators added words that are not in the text of the Scriptures? > > > > Question 3) If the 1611 King James Bible is tested and proved trustworthy, > then why change it and make corrections to it??? > > > > Question 4) The only people that I have heard say (or write) that "God does > not love sinners" are reformed or Calvinistic in their theology. Is there > any truth to the author's hypothesis that modern Bible versions (he calls > them "flawed bible versions") are responsible for the belief that "God hates > sinners"? > > > > Here are the KJV, NKJV, and the NIV rendering of the verse he comments about > … > > > > 1 John 3:16 KJV > > 16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: > and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. > > > > 1 John 3:16 NKJV > > 16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also > ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. > > > > 1 John 3:16 NIV > > 16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. > And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. > > > > Here is Strong's Greek/Hebrew Dictionary for 1 John 3:16 … > > 1 John 3:16 > > 1722 5129 Hereby > > 1097 perceive we > > 3588 the > > 26 love > > 9999 of God, > > 3754 because > > 1565 he > > 5087 laid down > > 846 his > > 5590 life > > 5228 for > > 2257 us: > > 2532 and > > 2249 we > > 3784 ought > > 5087 to lay down > > 9999 our > > 5590 lives > > 5228 for > > 3588 the > > 80 brethren. > > (Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright (c) 1994 by Biblesoft) > > NT:9999 > > 9999 inserted word (x); > > > > This word was added by the translators for better readability in the > English. There is no actual word in the Hebrew/Greek text. The word may be > displayed in italics, or in parentheses or other brackets, to indicate that > it is not in the original text. > > > > (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded > Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International > Bible Translators, Inc.) > > > > Please share your comments and give your response to the questions. > > > > Jerry > > "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who > was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to > be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3). > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1775 - Release Date: 11/8/2008 > 9:56 AM > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > > > To un > > subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > > > To un > > subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > -- Grace and peace, Kevin Sigafoos --------------------- For from him and through him and to him are all things. 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