We studied Adams and his work as our text book but my professor pointed out
some "problems" with him, as he saw it.

DW


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Sigafoos [mailto:ksigafoos@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:37 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Of fences and chasms

David,

Another interesting item in Powlison's history was that Adams, a
Reformed Presbyterian, was VERY readily accepted by Independent
Fundamentalist Baptists.  It seems that the IFB really connected with
Adams harsh come-out-and-be-separate attitude with Christian
psychologists -- even though they would disagree sharply with Adams'
theology.  Funny how every one picks their battles, humm?

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:05 PM, David Warner <dwarner@...> wrote:
> That's good Kevin.  Now, how does Mr Bettler say to fill in previously dug
> chasms and what kind of fence did he recommend:  a privacy fence or a
chain
> link and how high should it be?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Sigafoos [mailto:ksigafoos@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:38 PM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: [PastorsForum] Of fences and chasms
>
> I was reading David Powlison's history of the Biblical Counseling
> movement last night and I came across this quote from John Bettler on
> the way to manage disagreement among Christians.
>
> For those who may not know, the 70's and 80's was a time of much
> disagreement between those who embraced Jay Adams' view of Nouthetic
> Counseling (aka "Biblical Counseling") and those seeking to integrate
> psychology with Christianity.  Adams was rather harsh in his criticism
> of "Christian psychologists" but his best friend, Bettler,
> consistently attempted to bring the two sides together.
>
> Bettler said: "I believe in defining differences in a way that fences
> off positions clearly.  But there's a difference between a fence and a
> chasm.  You can talk over a fence.  You have to shout over a chasm.
> Over a fence you can listen, you can learn, and others can listen and
> learn from you."
>
> I read this quote and thought of the way that our discussions here
> often denigrate into straw-man arguments and polemics.  Personally, I
> like Bettler's approach.  I think it maintains our Christian identity
> and avoids compromise while, at the same time, demonstrates humility
> and brotherly love.  I pray that God will enable me to have this same
> spirit and that I will not dig a chasm when I could have just put up a
> fence.
>
> --
>
> Grace and peace,
> Kevin Sigafoos
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