Charlie: GOD KNOWS! He said "I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE which begins at salvation. John 3:16; 5:24; 10:28,29, etc. I am a child of God by faith in Jesus Christ, Who died to bring me salvation. If any of my four children were to deny me and disown me, that would not alter the fact that they are my children. They are mine because I sired them. NOTHING can change that. Nor can anyone un become a child of God if they are truly saved. Because of Calvary, yours, Delmer G. Lawson Jesus loves you, and I do too