Charlie, If you were not elect you would never get to the point where you would want to give your life to Christ. Only those chosen in Him before the foundation of the world will come and respond to both the inward and outward call of God. Again Rom. 3 - there are none who seek after God, no not one!!! And John 6 all that the Father gives Him will come. But there are many who respond to the outward call of the Gospel but are not true believers (like the seed among the rocks and thorns in the parable of the sower - eventually their fruits or lack thereof will bear this out). Peace and Grace, Steve Charlie Carroll Jr. wrote: > Derick, > I probably should not even get in this discusion because I have not been > keeping up with it. But are you saying that if I wanted to give my life > to Christ and lived my life as such. But God did not choose me, I am > doomed to hell? > here because of Jesus > Charlie > Phil.4:13 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Derick Dickens <mailto:Derick@...> > To: pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:54 PM > Subject: [PastorsForum] Before the foundation of the World > > Mike, > > We have mentioned the "whosoever" a numerous number of times. > "Whosoever" is nowhere in any greek manuscript. The word some use > is "pas" but that is not even close to how it was translated. "Pas" > does not mean "Whosoever". David Powell did a great job in showing > that the idea of whosoever was a late idea not one that comes from > the text. > > Just some thoughts. > > Derick Dickens <http://www.thedickensfamily.org/> > > > Pastor Wallers Baptist Church > PO Box 95 > Partlow VA 22534 > <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=PO+Box+95&csz=Partlow+VA+22534&country=us> > > derick@... <mailto:derick@...> > www.thedickensfamily.org <http://www.thedickensfamily.org/> > tel: > mobile: 540-582-5703 > 540-894-1772 > > > > Signature powered by Plaxo <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a > signature like this? <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> > > Add me to your address book... > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=21475105341&v0=517300&k0=393677647> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Tittle [mailto:drmike1@...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:35 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] THe "H" Word > > Derick, > > I do not think God is a respector of persons. The statement I > made was a result of what I have read from these posts. > > > I see it this way: > > John 3:16 > For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten > Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have > everlasting life. > > > This does not say that God chooses some to be saved and others > lost, it says that "whosoever believes" shall have everlasting > life. > > Before the foundation of the earth, God knew man would sin, so > He provided a saviour for those sinners. I think all will have > an opportunity to be saved, but not all will accept the > opportunity. > > You know, there is one thing we agree on. There are cultural > differences between us. > > I am happy to be a hillbilly, and I am happy to be a Tennessee > Volunteer, but I am most happy that I know Jesus > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Derick Dickens <mailto:Derick@...> > To: pastorsforum@... > <mailto:pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:07 PM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] THe "H" Word > > Mike, > > I didn't answer because I do not want to take away from the > setting and think this conversation is rather meaningless. > Yet, to answer your question, I do not have a problem. My > entire family has had laughs over this very issue. Thus, I > do not see a problem. Again, this is an issue of the weaker > brother in which I wanted to just move on rather than focus > on the issue as has been focused upon. I could have quoted > lexiconical information on the derivative of the word being > used, stating my rationale for it not being closely aligned > with Hell in the context it was used, and other issues. > Yet, it was my choice to drop it after offering an opinion. > I probably should not have started a light hearted > conversation on this subject as well. This, to me, was not > an issue that is even, to be honest, worth the ram it takes > up. For it is a minor issue in which the only people I have > ever met to voice anything negative, has been here on this > list. To call it a synonym for another word is probably > cultural... and it is not from any culture I am from (of > course, I come from a slightly different culture than most > here). Thus, I was willing to drop it. > > Yet, I would have rather not focused on that question and > ignored it as many have ignored clear Biblical ideas that I > have presented in another debate even asking for clear > exegetical discussions on the text. The result was > degrading into minors. > > > Derick Dickens <http://www.thedickensfamily.org/> > > > Pastor Wallers Baptist Church > PO Box 95 > Partlow VA 22534 > <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=PO+Box+95&csz=Partlow+VA+22534&country=us> > > derick@... <mailto:derick@...> > www.thedickensfamily.org <http://www.thedickensfamily.org/> > tel: > mobile: 540-582-5703 > 540-894-1772 > > > > Signature powered by Plaxo > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like > this? <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> > > Add me to your address book... > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=21475105341&v0=517300&k0=393677647> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Tittle [mailto:drmike1@...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:40 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] THe "H" Word > > We once had a member who saw no wrong in social > drinking. His beer and wine was ok if it was in a > social setting. > > I asked if it would be ok for his 3 or 4 year old child > to join in. > > I didn't get an answer from him either. > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Derick Dickens > <mailto:Derick@...> > To: pastorsforum@... > <mailto:pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:04 AM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] THe "H" Word > > Answers below > > As stated before, I believe that this is a meat > offered to idols issue. I am not in the prospect of > debating it and yet, I said I would refrain from > using that word and yet still have people bantering > it about as though I was still using the word. > > > > > Derick Dickens <http://www.thedickensfamily.org/> > > > Pastor Wallers Baptist Church > PO Box 95 > Partlow VA 22534 > <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=PO+Box+95&csz=Partlow+VA+22534&country=us> > > derick@... > <mailto:derick@...> > www.thedickensfamily.org > <http://www.thedickensfamily.org/> > tel: > mobile: 540-582-5703 > 540-894-1772 > > > > Signature powered by Plaxo > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> > > Add me to your address book... > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=21475105341&v0=517300&k0=393677647> > > ----- > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pastor Steven G. 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