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ROBBING GOD?

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Phil Scovell


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ROBBING GOD?

By

Phil Scovell

Seated in one of several adult Sunday school classes, I prepared to listen to the lesson for the day. It was the first Sunday following the new year; thus I knew, without hearing the announcements or reading the Sunday bulletin, the lesson would be on "tithing." The morning message, of course, would likewise be on "tithing." One of the first four Sundays of each new year always yielded messages, either in Sunday school, or during the morning preaching service, on "tithing." Once, I recall, all four Sundays during January were on tithing. One thing was certain, at the beginning of each new year, we were taught tithing and at least once or twice in the year's balance, depending on the financial condition of the church, we were reminded of our responsibilities.

Since I had been taught tithing from childhood,. I immediately, upon leaving home for Bible college, began tithing from my earnings. The first check my wife and I earned following our wedding, and every paycheck thereafter, we tithed. In fact, soon after marriage, we squeezed our giving to fifteen percent. Shoot! Everybody wants to be blessed; even newly weds; especially newly weds! Later we even gave twenty-five percent of our income to the church as I traveled as a Baptist evangelist holding revivals.

I do not want to mislead the reader so I will parenthetically state from the beginning that tithing is not only unscriptural but simply not found in the Bible as a New Testament doctrine. I will also state that those who teach that tithing is God's way of financially blessing His own are being less than Scripturally honest and are doctrinally inconsistent. I even challenge those teachers of tithing to "put their money where their mouth is" and cease from teaching something they know isn't Biblical I.E. tithing.

TITHING CLAIMS

Have you heard any of the following: "Tithing is a command? You can't out give God! If you don't tithe, you're robbing God. Tithers are blessed of God. You can't afford not to tithe. If you fail to tithe, God will get His money out of you some way. Tithing is your God-given responsibility. If you want God to really bless you, give more than the tithe. Tithing is part of your spirituality. The spiritual man will tithe and go beyond the tithe. God will get you if you don't give Him His tithe. We only teach this about tithing because we want you to be blessed...you can't be blessed otherwise. You can't afford not to tithe!" Quite a list isn't it? I'm sure I left some out, too. None, however, are true, Biblical, or have any Scriptural bases. It makes for mighty good preaching, however, and the offerings always increase following such teaching. My greatest concern, however, is the tithing is used to control and manipulate Believers. In another words, it is a cheep way of exercising authority over others.

TITHING DEFINED

"Tithing" in both Old and New Testaments means (tenth). It was practiced, long before the Mosaic law was given by God to the nation of Israel, to show honor and respect, it was invoked by God to provide for the Levitical priesthood as they ministered in the tabernacle. The Biblical instruction was for the first ten percent of all one possessed and earned to be given to the Levites. Such included monies, cattle, flocks, herds, crops, and the like. Actually, the first born son of a family was given to the Lord as a "tithe"offering, but he was not, of course, sacrificed as were the animals; the first born lamb was sacrificed in the son's place. It, the offering of the first born son, was symbolic of Christ, the Son of God, being offered for us. Abraham, you may recall, was commanded to offer his only begotten son, Isaac, as a human sacrifice. A ram, however, was substituted at the last moment; depicting Christ as the substitute Lamb of God. In short, the "tithe" was symbolic.

SEMITIC SYMBOLISM

The Hebrews spoke in word pictures similar to many indian cultures of North America. Often a single word carried with it a complexity of definition far beyond the value of the word itself. Thus their speech was often symbolic and spoken with preciosity. Succinctly stated, when they spoke, it had meaning.

NUMERICAL SYMBOLISM

The conscientious Bible student will, of course, attempt to gain some understanding of Biblical numerics because of the spiritual insight it affords. The number (3) in Scripture depicts completeness or finality; the Trinity being a prime example. The figure (5) often reveals the grace of God; the number (7) perfection; the number (12) that which is chosen. The figure (10), on the other hand, often represented judgment or testing. The ten plagues on Egypt, the ten kingdoms in the book of Revelation, the ten virgins Jesus referred to in the Gospels, and the ten commandments, all demonstrated judgement and testing. The tithe, or giving of a tenth, also was symbolic of judgment or testing. It was a "judgment" or debt owed God by His people to support His house - tabernacle, and the ministers thereof - the Levites. It was a "testing" to bring conformity to His law. To violate such a commandment invoked a penalty for sin for it represented a (falling short) of God's requirements for obedience. The law of God, by the way, was not given to prove one righteous; it was to demonstrate one was not righteous and could in no way make himself righteous even by keeping the law. This is evident because of God's promise that a Messiah would one day come and fulfill the law; thus no need for the law to continue. Seen in this light, the tithe was a sign that one was keeping the law until the law

was fulfilled in Christ. It was one of many "laws" which afforded one rightness with God. It was literally one way of personalizing one's responsibility for maintaining righteousness - right living before God.

Let me stop at this point and say that the practice of New Testament tithing is not unscriptural if one desires to exercise it as a principle. It is not, however, a command nor can it be taught as a Bible doctrine. Tithing is no more a doctrine than, for example, fasting. Is it wrong to fast today? No! Will fasting benefit one spiritually? Yes! I have fasted on numerous occasions and twice for twenty-one days. It isn't commanded by God, however, nor do I have Scriptural license to teach on fasting as though it were a doctrine. I can, on the other hand, teach it as a Biblical principle which yields spiritual benefit. Likewise "prayer" is not a doctrine. It, too, is a principle by which one can, and should live, and its benefits are likewise numerous. You will not, however, be forsaken by God, barred from Heaven, chastened by sickness and disease, loose your children, be turned into a pillar of salt, ask to sacrifice your first born, be burned at the stake, loose your salvation, succumb to warts, or suffer eternal condemnation if you don't pray, memorize Scripture, read your Bible, attend church faithfully, fast, or tithe! All such offer spiritual provision for a Christian but they cannot be substituted for Bible doctrine no matter how hard one may try. You will, on the other hand, be criticized, ridiculed, called a heretic, faithless, selfish, a God robber, sinful, crazy, foolish, dumb, stupid, back slider, unholy, unrighteous, stingy, cheep, unorthodox, and you might even be kicked out of church if you refuse to believe what some say about tithing, but that won't come from God; just friends.

ROBBING GOD?

The biggest question, and the one I might add which strikes the greatest fear, in the hearts of most Christians is Malachi 3:8-10. Here, we are told by those who teach tithing is for today, that we are literally robbing God if we fail to tithe. Many over look that God said in this passage that those who were robbing God were failing to bring both tithes and offerings. Why do most tithing proponents leave the offering out? The answer is; it's hard enough just squeezing the tithe out of people, not to mention offerings, too.

As I mentioned, there is certainly nothing wrong with the idea of tithing nor the practice of it today. It is when one teaches it as a doctrine and that God will not bless those who fail to tithe which is the problem. If one wishes to tithe, he is not unscriptural, or in anyway, barred from doing so. It just simply isn't a New Testament requirement. Jesus fulfilled the law for us. We either walk in that freedom as New Testament Christians or we do not. If Jesus fulfilled the law, why do we try to restore the law by practicing it? Do we refrain from eating pork, do we stone adulterers, do we execute homosexuals, do we stone sabbath violators, sacrifice animals, or leave the corners of our fields for the poor to harvest? If not, why not? As New Testament Christians we know why; Jesus fulfilled the law. Then why do we insist upon tithing? The answer is fear.

Churches need money to function because they have become businesses rather than ministries. Pastors are fearful they won't be able to pay the church expenses; water, lights, staff, radio/television programs, monthly newsletters, special guest speakers, trips to mission fields, new buildings, improvements on the old building, staff cars, gymnasiums, school buildings, fellowship halls, new carpet, commodes, air conditioning, and we mustn't forget the pastor's salary. Do pastors worry about such? As a pastor, I can guarantee we do.

There is fear on the Christian's behalf as well. Let's face it! Most of us are scared spitless that God isn't going to bless us for some reason. And wouldn't you know it, God always hits us in the pocketbook when He wants to punish us for something. Malachi 3:8-10 also uses the word "cursed." God said His people were cursed for not tithing and giving offerings. Now be honest. Doesn't that kind of spook you when some preacher is up there pounding the pulpit and telling you that you're cursed of God if you don't tithe? Believe me, you are going to tithe if you hear that long enough and loud enough because nobody wants to be cursed of God.

ABRAHAM AND JACOB

One of the biggest arguments for New Testament tithing is the Old Testament reference to Abraham and Jacob. It is stated that since these two patriarch tithed, and they lived long before the Mosaic law, tithing is not, therefore, Old Testament law but God's law for all time. May I point out that if you indeed are going to practice tithing as these two great men of God did, you will only need to tithe once in your life time of everything you have in your possession at that moment. Abraham did exactly that when he gave a tenth to Melchizedek. Jacob, who promised to give a tenth to God, apparently did so when he was faced with his angry brother. No other reference to tithing is recorded in Scripture by these two men. By today's standards, therefore, they would not be good tithers. One may assume, however, that these men often gave to others of their prosperity and it perhaps could even be assumed they gave to those in God's service. There was, however, no levitical priesthood and no prophets of God as during the Mosaic law. It would be Scripturally unwise, therefore, to consider them as Biblical examples of New Testament tithers.

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

I really began examining tithing a few years ago when I recognized that what I had been taught was not working. I was taught, and I preached it, too, that if one tithed, financial blessings would always dog me. It never happened! I was told if you didn't tithe, you would be chastened by God and He would get His money out of you somehow. It never happened! I was taught that if your finances were in disarray and you were not tithing, that was the reason. Of course, if that one was true, then those whose finances were regular and consistent had to be tithers. I knew unsaved people who had better financial stability than I ever had as a Christian and I knew they weren't tithers.

On my knees in my most desperate hour, I cried out to God and begged Him not to take away my desire for giving. I knew it my heart it was the one last thing I had which obligated God to bless me. I gave when my family went without food. I tithed when my house payments and rent were past due. I tithed when the utilities were two months behind, I tithed even when I lost my home and nothing I had been taught on tithing proved true. I went for a four year period hardly giving a thing to the Lord. I was not tithing, I was not giving, I did not give an offering; except occasionally, and the truth was, I did not have any money to give. Was I afraid. You bet! I knew God was going to kill me if I didn't start that tithing bit up again and, bless God, I tried for four years to start tithing over and over and over and over again. Every single time I tried, things got worse instead of better. Every single time I went to my knees and prayed over my dilemma. "Why wasn't God's Word working?" God continually, for that period of time, told me He didn't need or want my money. Right in the middle of the whole thing, God gave me a house; providing both the down payment and a way of keeping my monthly payment to a level I was able to afford. How could the Lord bless me when I wasn't tithing. On my knees, therefore, I sought the Lord and beg for understanding.

NEW TESTAMENT TITHING

The Greek word for "tithe" and it's related forms; (tithes and tithing). appears seven times in the New Testament. Likewise "tenth" appears twice in reference to the "tithe." In not one of these cases, as we will see, does the Bible teach tithing is for today. The practice of tithing is conspicuously absent from the New Testament epistles; the letters to the churches. If tithing were to be taught to God's people, why would He forget to include such instructions in the letters He sent to the churches? He didn't forget...it simply doesn't exist. Something I notice about those who constantly affirm that healing and the gift of tongues isn't for today always make a point to say that such doctrine isn't taught in the New Testament epistles so why believe in it? Funny how many of those same unbelievers of the ministry of the Holy Spirit fail to tell us that tithing isn't once mentioned in the epistles but they are determined to make it a doctrine.

In Matthew 23 and Luke 11, Jesus taught His disciples and the multitudes concerning hypocrisy. He accused the pharisees and scribes of being exactly that. One will have to read the account to gain the full impact of His statements. Our Lord mentions, however, that these hypocrites are tithers (Matt. 23:23). He says, however, they tithed even the most insignificant of herbs to the Lord but totally ignore the rest of the law. Some "tithe" promoters use this verse, along with Luke 11:42, to suggest Jesus was confirming we should be tithers today. "This also ought ye to do," refers to the part of the law they were forsaking. Read the account! They were keeping God's law in many areas but failed to keep the whole law. In fact, these Gospel passages, when examined carefully, are rebukes to the tithers not blessings. If Jesus were preaching to tithers today, he would rebuke them as hypocrites because they keep only part, rather than the whole, law.

Another ostentatious reference to tithing is the story Jesus told concerning the prayer of the publican and pharisee. The pharisee was a super Christian. Not only did he tithe but he fasted twice a week. Jesus said, on the other hand, that the publican was more honored by God because of his humility; the publican wasn't a tither. Since he wasn't a tither, we cannot use him as an example of such.

The only other New Testament passage available to us on the subject of tithing again has absolutely nothing to do with the practice of "tenth" giving. I will not take the time to quote the passage but suggest the reader stop and read Hebrews chapters (7) and 8). If one fails to read both chapters together, it may seem as though tithing is being taught. In fact, such is not the case.

The writer of Hebrews is illustrating how Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek and that this act included the levites as those who paid tithes being yet unborn. Likewise, the passage confirms that the levites indeed received tithes from the children of Israel as they ministered in the duties of the tabernacle. If the reader is careful to interpret Scripture properly, it will be discovered that the entire point of the complete passage is revealed in Hebrews 8:6: (we have a Mediator of a better covenant with better promises). This Mediator, of course, is Christ the Lord.

Now think back to the covenant under which the children of Israel lived. For their covenant to function, they were required to offer sacrifices, tithe, abstain from certain foods, refrain from Sabbath activity, and a wide variety of other such laws given by God. Their firstborn was likewise required but a lamb was vicariously offered instead. Today the Lamb of God - Christ Jesus - is our substitutionary sacrifice. Literally, Jesus is our "tithe."

The writer of Hebrews teaches that as the levites paid tithes, because their father Abraham did so; they being yet unborn, paid tithes. We likewise have sin's debt paid in Christ; we being yet unborn - unborn again I.E. lost in sin. Jesus Christ was, and is, that fulfillment of the law in our behalf. In another words, Jesus paid the debt - tithe - for sin. One may choose to tithe today as a token of ones gratitude, but he cannot teach it as doctrine.

NEW TESTAMENT GIVING

II CORINTHIANS 9:6-9

     #6  He which sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he
     which sows bountifully shall reap also bountifully.  #7 Every man
     according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not
     grudgingly, or of necessity:  For God loves a cheerful giver.
     #8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that you,
     always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every
     good work: #9 As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad, He hath
     given to the poor:  His righteousness remains for ever.
 
     Tithing teachers agree that this passage is not in reference to the

tithe. They must, because the word (tithe) never appears in the passage. They will and do say, however, that Paul was trying to teach us that to "give" to God is over and above your tithe. Funny, Paul, nor any other New Testament writer, said any such thing. Any time we refuse to interpret Scripture in its context, we must substitute conjecture, personal opinion, and hearsay for the truth of God's eternal Word.

CONTEXT

If one will read chapters 8 and 9 of II Corinthians, it can be clearly seen that Paul was instructing the Corinthian believers how they should take offerings. In fact, in these two chapters, as well as I Corinthians 16:1- 4, Paul makes no references to offerings being taken for the support of the local church but the "collections" to which he refers is that which is collected for those who today would be considered evangelists and missionaries. I think it is perfectly within Scriptural boundaries, however, to assume such teaching is applicable to the needs of the local body of believers as well. If not, these offerings to which Paul referred in this passage cannot even be applied to teaching giving to support one's own local church.

GREEK TERMS

Let's consider some of the key words Paul used in this passage. The word "sow" or "soweth" means (to scatter). "Sparingly" is a word which means (stingy). "Reap" means (to harvest). "Bountiful" is a rather unusual word used by Paul. It means (elegance in word or speech). The Greek word he used is where we get our word "Eulogy." "Purpose," or as it is translated in the King James; "purposeth," means (to choose for oneself) or (to intend). "Grudgingly" means (sadness), or in this case ""not grudgingly" meaning (without,) or (no sadness). "Necessity" is (constraint), "cheerful" is (merry) or (favorable), and "sufficiency" means (self satisfied).

THE PROMISE

Verse (6) is our promise: If we sow "sparingly" - with a stingy attitude - we will reap such a return. Of course Paul is using farming as an illustration. planting few seeds will yield a small harvest but plentiful or an abundant planting will reap [harvest] a greater return. So far so good.

The word "bountiful" is something which, at first, seems unrelated. As I mentioned, we get our word (eulogy) from this Greek term. If you have ever been to a funeral, you can gain insight to Paul's usage of this word. Literally Paul is saying if one speaks many good words, favorable words, kind words, pleasant words, he will reap [harvest] the same.

We live next door to an elderly lady who is often gruff and harsh when speaking with others. I, on the other hand, have always spoken to her with respect and dignity; never talking back when she fussed, never rebuking her rudeness, and never arguing. Why do I hold to such an attitude? First she is in her early seventies; making her more than twice my age, hence, she is my elder. Secondly, I was talk to respect my elders. Thirdly, it is Scriptural, and fourth, I learn very young in life that if you speak kindly to others, they will speak kindly to you. This is exactly what Paul is teaching us concerning our attitude of giving to those in full time service of God. You reap [harvest] what you so - you receive in kind what you say. It is God's promise to those who give with the right attitude.

THE PRINCIPLE

The principle of giving is clearly stated in verse (7): "Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give;" literally, according as he (chooses in his heart). What if he chooses not to give? No harvest! Need I point out that it is stated "as he," the giver, "purposes," not according to God's purpose/choosing. Hence, it is voluntary.

This form of giving is furthermore done with a proper attitude; (not grudgingly), or of (necessity), because God loves a (cheerful) giver. When one chooses to give, therefore, he should do so without (sadness) or out of (necessity - constraint. In another words, he should never be forced to give unless it is an act of his own will. Boy, we've missed the boat on that one, haven't we? The principle concludes with making reference to one who gives (cheerfully). If you are constrained to give, if you are threatened to give, if you are shamed into giving because others are, or if you give out of fear of reprisal, you cannot give with cheerfulness - a merry heart. you instead would be giving (grudgingly) - with sadness of heart. God never intending our giving to become a millstone about our neck to weigh us down; He gave it in order that we might reap a harvest blessing which would lift us up.

THE PRODUCT

We indeed shall reap a harvest blessing if we give in light of what has already been said: "And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work." The product - that which is produced by giving - is "sufficiency" - self satisfaction. It is the awareness that you have done what you determined [intended] to do for the glory of God. In which case, God is "able" to make all grace abound toward you. The Greek word for "able" contains the root word which is interpreted often in Scripture as (miracle). In another words, the miracle working power of God comes into play in your behalf when giving is natural to your relationship with God.

THE POWER

     "As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad, He hath given to the
     poor:  His righteousness remains for ever."

Giving is an intimate part of our relationship with the Heavenly Father. We have the "power" of such spiritual intimacy because we possess His righteousness. This enables us to share personally in His nature by giving to support those who minister in our behalf to others.

REVIEW

The promise is one of harvest: we reap what we sow. If we sow a little, we reap the same. If we sow much, likewise the return will be in kind. I might add, if we so nothing, so shall be our return. Thus the promise is our (reward).

Our attitude of giving is a principle, or rule, we should follow faithfully and consistently in order to maintain continuity in our relationship with God. Since we already have favor with God through Christ, we should never practice giving to obtain favor or attention. Our giving should be as natural as our love for Him.

The product, or result, of such a natural form of giving is self satisfaction. We have given because we are secure in Him and His grace is applicable to every thing we do in His name.

Finally, it is our right - power - to give with such freedom and intimacy because we possess the righteousness of God as His children. Since He has therefore liberally given of His nature, we in turn have the power to manifest that nature as we give of our money in His name.

CONCLUSION

A marriage IS not confirmed by the number of times one confesses love for another. It is how they live which confirms and completes their relationship. As love, therefore is common to marriage, so giving is in our fellowship with God. If it isn't natural, it isn't Scriptural. Does that make it wrong to give because you wish to be blessed? We should only give because we are blessed! We are blessed because of Christ. If we are blessed of God, then giving will be natural.

Paul makes it plane: Our giving should be done as an act of our own will. We need to decide what we will give and it should be given when the Christians gather as a body weekly. There should be no set amount except by the one doing the giving. It should be a reflection of our thankfulness to God for His blessings to us. We should expect a harvest and do so by faith. We should expect to experience God's grace in all that we do in His name and our giving should be natural and not forced. Our giving is not a mathematical equation by which we calculate our spirituality but rather an expression of our love for the one who gave Himself for us that we might be made rich.


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Itching Ears Vs Willing Heart posted by Rod Aslesen on 10/31/2006 at 05:48:16 from IP# 24.131.175.144

In Gen 4, without one word of instruction, it says  "3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. " NIVCain gave from his LEFT OVERS....... IF I HAVE SOMETHING left after everything else, THEN I WILL GIVE IT.      >>>>>  There was NO COMMAND but Abel gave out of a WILLING HEART.Who was recognized by God? Abel!In Gen 14:18 God brought the increase to Abraham: "18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying, 'Blessed be Abram by God Most High,Creator of heaven and earth. 20 And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.' Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything."  NIV      >>>>> NO Command... Just a WILLING HEART!    Isn't it interesting that before the law, the giving from people who were in a RELATIONSHIP with God (vs religion) was based on a WILLING HEART and 10% and they were commended for it?     Isn't it interesting that God brought the increase first and these people recognized it was from GOD and just NATURALLY wanted to give back to GOD from the first portions!    Isn't it interesting that when God gave the law, he used that same principal of giving from your increase a fat portion and 10%?     It is even more interesting that God HAD TO GIVE A LAW about giving because of all the "LEFT OVERS" hearts out there!    Isn't it interesting that Jesus himself recognized and confirmed the tithe... Luke 11:42  "Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone." NIV Jesus didn't cancel the tithe... Jesus CONFIRMED IT!    Isn't it interesting that Jesus puts down the Cains of the world and commends the Abels in Luke 21:1-4 when he said:  "21:1 As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2 He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins.   3 "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."  NIV  NO COMMAND to give the 100% she had... JUST a commendation for WILLING HEART!  And who got the praise?    It is so interesting that from time beginning that some recognize the PRINCIPAL that God is our source, God is our supply and we are his stewards. PERIOD. And others from the beginning of time until today look for ways to escape the principal and justify ways of avoiding the principal.     The author is correct when he says that the NT does not teach on "tithing"....well except for Jesus himself but I guess that doesn't count does it? (Luke 11:42).       BUT... I believe that when the Bible teaches the principal of giving fat portions from a willing hear from before the law... it is a principal that carries on to today... God is not commanding us today to GIVE a 10th... He just wants to commend us for a WILLING HEART and recognize we are his stewards...     WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A LAW to honor our provider?               It is always a matter of TRUSTING GOD vs TRUSTING SELF....               It is always a matter of PLEASING GOD vs PLEASING OURSELF....              GOD... SELF...              God provides or we provide for ourselves....              HE is first or WE are first...  Which way is it?    We went thru a very hard time a number of years ago when I believe God was testing our ATTITUDE about who is our provider. We could have given him the LEFT OVERS after the bills. Instead we elected to live on the generous 90% recognizing we are GOD's Stewards and 90% was ample. We had NOTHING left over after honoring God and paying the bills, but everything was provided for!      After God saw we had an "Abel Attitude", the flow has never stopped. It is interesting that as we not only willing give the 1st 10% to our local church but then some as HE directs us elsewhere... and the flow keeps coming.     I would suggest that if one would study the lives of those who look for ways to get out of God's principal of giving fat portions from the first of all our increases, one might find in most cases more SELF vs GOD, that they are now facing the consequences of wrong decisions in the past toward "self" that have put themselves in a postion where they have to lean on their own understanding rather than on simply trusting God. It has always been that way and it will continue on that way.

WOW to those for whom this was written:  2 Tim 4:3-4 "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." NIV     Chose for YOURSELF whom you will serve... as for me and my household, we CHOSE to put God first. He tested us and we were found faithful.  We continue to test HIM as HE commanded us and HE has been found faithful.     What is YOUR choice?Pastor Rod Aslesen

 


Storehouse concept posted by Glen on 10/24/2006 at 19:09:38 from IP# 66.161.238.158

"if you believe the tithe is a payment to God then you hand it over" is the not-so-modern-day church's "storehouse" doctrine.  Check the Bible - it never uses the word "storehouse" in any way other than referring to a collection of edible food.  And by the way, is it God's storehouse, or Man's storehouse?Many organized churches portray themselves as the funnel through which all tithes must flow.  In reality, tithes/offerings to God pre-date the organized church.   The offering stemmed from a personal relationship with God, and a heart sensitive to relationship with Him.I wonder if this redirection of intent really stems from the greed of certain church leaders who want to control the flow of money in their parish, and  mistrust that  the people  can possibly seek God's direction in a personal way  to get His counsel how they should invest it.  This reminds me of a common theme among some Catholic priests, that people should not interpret the Bible for themselves, as they may do so in error.  Instead of raising up leaders, how many church leaders suppress and distrust the people?If the church has effective ministries that attendees know God is directing them to invest in, so be it.  Ineffective ministries and poorly run (wasteful) churches who throw money at empire-building instead of soul-winning should not be considered a wise investment of the tithe. 

tithing posted by i believe on 10/24/2006 at 14:57:45 from IP# 80.192.250.124

I disagree with you on the subject of tithing.  I believe if you 'willingly' give the 10% required you will be given more blessings than you are able to receive.  Given unwillingly, however you'd be as well not bothering.  I don't believe a loving Father will withhold blessings from His children because they don't give 10%, but He may well bless those who do more abundantly.  As for the comment 'my pastor preaches on giving a lot, and there have been many many testimonies to what he says about it is true. He recently said that if you have given to a church and you havent got blessed since, it was because of where the church was spending it on. If we give to the homeless, etc. through the ministry, can God honor that and bless us instead of a church that doesnt?' if you believe the tithe is a payment to God then you hand it over, it becomes His (under the stewardship of His church) and whatever happens thereafter is no longer your concern.

Hurt posted by Brian on 10/15/2006 at 01:03:52 from IP# 24.9.223.79

I come from a family with many pastors in it. All of which are 10%ers. In my family it seems that being a pastor is the family business. Because of me not being a pator, I am criticized alot. This also leads them to think I know nothing about scripture (especially tithing). I have struggled with the issue of tithing for a long time because I dont believe in 10% but am always told I will not be blessed by God if I don't.

I just wanted to say thank you for being able to put into words exactly how I feel about this issue. It is hard for me to read the other posts on this page and see the amount of hurt that 10%er pastors are forcing on people . Thanks again for writing this page so others may be blessed by God for simply cheerfully giving.


what about the poor posted by john on 10/03/2006 at 14:26:04 from IP# 24.129.195.40

by listening to preachers God wants us all to prosper they say monetarily i say spritually. But Jesus said we would have the poor with us always...Why?  are they not tithing?...God told moses (did i not make the poor)...you can give all you have and even give your life but if you have not love ..you have nothing... The publican who did not tithe smote his chest and said have mercy on me was justified as the pharasee who claimed he tithed and kept the law was not..... Million dollar churches and organizations are supposed to take care of the poorest of people not take a tithe and say I will pray for you to be filled. So how do you tithe in a country where no one really goes without food or clothing or shelter?... unless they choose to do so ....


Great to see the truth posted by Rod on 06/20/2006 at 04:28:28 from IP# 124.168.74.204

I am warmed to see that the truth is still out there.

I have not been allowed church membership, because I said I will not tithe as I don't believe it has biblical backing.  I offered to give an offering.  But the eldership of this well known church organisation said, "We can have you becoming a member as others will complain that they have to tithe and you don't"

Make you think.

www.worshipgathering.net


Tithing posted by Fortune Mentor on 05/30/2006 at 06:29:13 from IP# 196.15.166.134

I no longer have a husband and I have to take care of our children and he does not work and help my parents, I want to tithe but because of house expenses I am living above my means at the end of the month I am frustrated.  There are times where I can give money but not always not that I don't give anything to the church but I have failed to tithe 10%.   I don't think the church does understand that all they want is 10% I feel like a failure and that God may not bless me because I cannot afford 10% but I do give what I afford.


Thank You posted by Joyce Kama on 03/05/2006 at 15:46:39 from IP# 205.188.116.198

I had the subject of tithing before the Lord and He led me to this site!  For the past 24 years I have been saved, I have heard congregations being manipulated and browbeaten about titthing and robbing God.  I am in  a situation where I can give but tithing would be a terrible burden as I do not have an earned income but is on a government supplement.  My pastor told me I should tithe on that but to pray about it and I did.  I believe that not only has God given me the answer through your article, but he has also opened my eyes to a clear understanding of Hebrews Chapters 7 and 8.  Thank you Jesus!  And thank you for allowing God to use you to set the people free!

Comment on Tithing Article posted by Dexter Sharper on 02/21/2006 at 11:11:48 from IP# 72.150.68.185

I am a Pastor in Valdosta, Ga. 34 years been tithing since I was a teen ager and thought if I didn't God wasn't pleased.

We started service in Sept.  05 and I taught tithes and offering Actually I have taught tithes and offering throughout the country.   But in the last few months after seeking God and studying I teach only Cheerful Giving and I agree with your article. 

I am a Financial Planning Specialist and the BEST advise I can give to anyone is to be a cheerful giver.

You can also so reach me by phone 229-251-5238


a question im wondering posted by William on 04/18/2005 at 21:04:18 from IP# 71.0.123.207

my pastor preaches on giving a lot, and there have been many many testimonies to what he says about it is true. He recently said that if you have given to a church and you havent got blessed since, it was because of where the church was spending it on. If we give to the homeless, etc. through the ministry, can God honor that and bless us instead of a church that doesnt?Email me back at william5000forever@yahoo.com

Tithe posted by Gene on 04/04/2005 at 02:48:30 from IP# 207.200.116.204

I believe we must be careful about the issue of tithing, whether or not it is specifically mentioned in the new testament. Though I agree that it shouldn't be taught as a doctrine, it should be taught as a principle of  regular, systematic giving, and as a test of personal faith that no matter what, God will provide. For every promise there's a condition, and for every condition there's a promise, as the Bible clearly states in Malachi chapter 3:6-12. Offerings should be included here as well, as has been mentioned previously.  To me, there is no guilt trip or pressure. Maybe some folks are mistaking the leading of the Holy Spirit in their hearts as such. This is sad, because as much as God wants our worship through our praise, time and talents, he also wants us to be good stewards of our money, which is His in the first place. God has graciously entrusted us with means to further His cause, and all He asks for is a tithe, 10%. We even have the option of giving more, and the promise of so much blessing, "that there shall not be room enough to receive it." "Test me in this", the Lord says. So, let's stop whining and making excuses, and just DO it. Malachi 3 is the basis of God's formula for our financial success. He wants to bless us financially, as is found elsewhere in the Bible. We need to change our attitude.

Thank You posted by Fran on 01/31/2005 at 14:16:52 from IP# 12.167.77.163

We should only give because we are blessed! We are blessed because of Christ. If we are blessed of God, then giving will be natural.

Thank you for this message. 


Thank God for the Truth!! posted by Kathy on 05/07/2002 at 08:54:21 from IP# 66.0.67.142

I am so glad the Lord led me to this site. Our Pastor and numerous others in this city constantly pressure the members of our church to tithe. In fact his Sunday Sermon was Stop Thief... I still knew from my understanding of scripture that tithing is not a requirement of the New Testament Church, but the pressure is uncomfortable. Keep up the good work!!

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